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north korea. david ignatius to you. i wanted to ask secretary rice about north korea. ma am secretary, you struggled with the north korean program during your time as secretary. president trump has chosen to work very closely with china and xi swrchlt inpijinping in deali with north korea. how would you rate his policy and do you worry he s leaning too much on china in this current set of diplomacy? i think what they re trying to do and, by the way, i think they re doing as well as anybody could. this is just a really hard problem. i think they are trying to incent the chinese to change their view of this. the chinese have always been more worried about the collapse of the regime than a nuclear north korea. they ve been unwilling to do tough things with the regime because it might collapse the regime. then you have refugees flows,