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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:33:00

Sergey lavrov who sat through, we should mention, president zelenskyy s virtual address to the g20, and then lavrov, got up, made his own speech, and he went through the usual lies as to why russia invaded ukraine. we should note, though, that there had been talk of a widespread walkout among the other leaders when lavrov did speak. that didn t happen, and it s reflective of the g20, it s not the g7. the g7 are the largest democracies, they are in lock step in supporting the war in ukraine. and the g20 is a different animal. we can talk about president biden and president xi s meeting yesterday. saudi arabia, india, china, these are countries that have provided economic lifelines to russia during the conflict and did not sign on to a declaration that condemned russia s war. the phrasing instead, aggression, moscow really objected to the use of the word war, and the g20 as shied away ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:40:00

Think there is prospect in the next month or two for something to for there to be a breakthrough? to be clear, there have been negotiations the whole time. they have been under the table conversations. conversations in turkey. even the ukrainians and the russians talk about prisoner exchanges, so this isn t quite the diplomatic breakthrough that people are making it out to be. the real question is what would be the moment when negotiations would be useful and when they would end the war for good? and that moment, i think, has not arrived yet, and as far as i know, the white house doesn t think it s arrived yet because that moment comes when the russians understand that the war was a mistake. and they begin to pull their troops out. and they understand that russian imperialism has had its day and it s over, and that s really the only way we can have a complete end to the conflict, in other words, it s not just a cease fire. not just people stop fighting for a few months and they sta ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:37:00

Under what had been a deteriorating or plummeting relationship. all good. some slight disappointments. the chinese did not, for example, talk about north korea. they have tremendous leverage over north korea if they were ever to use it. they clearly choose not to. the language on russia was a little bit disappointing, the chinese and their statement did not single out russia really for criticism or talk about why nuclear weapons, ought not to be used. that said, what jonathan reported is spot on. there was something almost reassuring, traditional, normal about the whole meeting. leaders of countries that are fundamentally competitive disagree on most issues, still shaking hands, talking about the importance of limiting the competition, potentially finding some areas where they could do at least limited cooperation. again, it seemed like good old fashioned diplomacy. as you and i looked at the front pages of the papers. it said, that almost looks normal a return to normalcy. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:45:00

For a different kind of leader or even just a different policy. you re already hearing some of it. a part of the russian security elite is anti-putin and critical of the war being conducted. that s a piece of the story so far, a new element, and one of the reasons why putin probably held his mobilization drive to get more people to fight was because of pressure from that group. we know there s conflict inside the system. we just need it to continue. all right. the atlantic s anne applebaum as always, thank you so much for being with us, and richard haass, thank you for staying as well. willie geist, it s now time for our weekly cfr fantasy football report, and let s talk about what happened last night for a minute. not only everybody inside washington, d.c. but the g20 summit in indonesia, the vision of the world of at least the ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:38:00

They are whispering to each other s ears about the commanders and eagles, is jalen hurts elite, and they didn t come to a conclusion on that. that conversation will continue. let s talk about russia, though, vladimir putin not at the g20. sergey lavrov was there. he sat in the audience and watched a zoomed in deteriorates from president zelenskyy of ukraine. what is that dynamic like inside the room and out of it? there s still a reluctance to take on the russians. the indians the chinese, saudis, many others, they re hedging their bets. you have what we call the west that s lining up squarely for ukraine. providing economic, military, diplomatic support but a lot of the rest of the world is kind of sitting on the sidelines. one way or another helping russia, buying its oil. the good news is the chinese and others are not providing russia with military equipment, and i think it reinforces the sense that the outside world will not ....

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