all right, and now we ll look at today. and this is not the national mall, this is sort of what we re looking at now, right? give me the streets where we are right now. i think this is near the capitol. we are near the capitol. oh, that is the mall. okay. that is the mall. let s go back to show the first one again. let s do a comparison again. that s the crowd yesterday. and then let s come back and look at the crowd again today. all right. and lawrence o connell, we talk a lot about donald trump, these kind of things really do matter to him. the size of the crowds and the robustness of his movement. what do you think seeing the two side-by-side two split screens, not the mention the split screens with barack obama in 2008, will do to him and how fast will he be tweeting? well, he rarely has a method of ignoring the realities around him. but these numbers, what we are seeing today are important to
imagine it is unimaginable that she would talk as she was presenting herself like he said to billy bush, let s walk out together. he s core graphing the whole thing. then he makes a reference to gerald ford. he s thinking big picture, how he s presenting himself. but there he is talking about how he would grab someone. imagine if hillary clinton said i m a big shot, whenever i want to i can grab a guy that way. it s absurd to think that way. anyway, robert costa, one fabulous reporter with the washington post and he somehow maintains his independence and judgment in covering donald trump all of these months. he joins us by phone. i do respect your reporting. objectively i was going back tonight with lawrence looking at the a.p. reports, it s so objective and it s an objective fact, the situation that mr. trump finds himself in.
we ve joined from chris matthews who told us to watch utah. if there is going to be a revolt that s where it will begin. it s fully under way. it sure is. it s a state that has been rejecting of the establishment. that gentleman we just saw there, mike lee, lawrence, knocked off a long term senator to win that seat. wit as whole tradition he knocked apart there. orrin hatch had to fight very hard out there. it s not just a religious base, it s a tea party base, very much a tea party man, mike lee, associated with the politics of mike pence, of course ted cruz. so that party, that right ward flank of the party which mike pence has been out this week trying to form up and to keep on trump s side. we re not even near the suburbs in terms of trump s appeal.