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He would suggest to trump that he should resign. of course, that never happened. his plans the one day become speaker is up in the air. on one hand, we have a push elias, prevaricating and somewhat feeblemindedly it or who caused trump, but if these tapes ultimately take mccarthy out of the running for the house gop leader, we may be left with something entirely worse. so much to think through. joining us to help us do it is nbc digital justice reporter, ryan j. reilley and former watergate prosecutor, jill wine banks, a host of the sisters in law podcasts. joe, as i understand it, no establishment precedent from congressional powers to subpoena members of congress. your sense on how this will play out. it seems to me that any citizen of the united states, which would include members of congress, has an obligation to respond to legitimate, legal ....