shannon: our elected leaders turning their backs on law enforcement? the second vice president of the fraternal order of police and former nypd lieutenant doctor aaron porcher, thank you for being with us. the situation in boston, the straight pride parade brought a lot of protesters, didn t have that police presence and someone got hurt or killed, he is fearful there would be enormous criticism. one of the city counselors tweeted why did we need to have so many law enforcement officers in general and particularly with riot gear. my biggest take away is this reinforces why militarization of police is harmful with protests and large crowd situations. let the professionals in law enforcement deal with law enforcement issues. this is a symptom of systemic failure and government. we need to focus not just on
so our elected leaders turning their backs on law enforcement? joining me now, second vice president of the chicago fraternal order of police, martin pride, and form nypd dr. darrin porcher p thank you both for being with us. thanks for having us. shannon: trace touch on the situation in boston, the street pride parade, heavy police presidents. if there wasn t that police president someone got hurt or killed, as we saw in charlottesville, he is very fearful there would be enormous criticism. one of the city councilors tweeted, why do we need to have so many loss law enforcement officers in general? my take away from the videos is that this reinforces my militarization of police is harmful, especially with protests and large crowd situations. darren? let s let the professionals in law enforcement deal with law enforcement issues. this is a symptom of a systemic failure in government. we need to focus on not just protecting our police, but
360 million people outweighs the numbers of perpetrators or gunmen that we have in the united states. gillian: can you hang on for a second? we have another person on the phone that we re going to bring in right now. we ll come back to you in a few minutes. let s bring in bernard zafor, a former special agent in charge of the atf. thank you for joining us, unfortunately under these circumstances. we know that atf is en route to the scene. what are they going to do when they get there? it is unfortunate, the fact this is happening again and will happen again. atf s role when they respond to the scene is going to be support local law enforcement. they ll provide number of immediate intelligence information that will paint a picture in retrospect of the gunman because of the life of the firearm. that s one thing. they re going to bring in resources, incident command and management of the scene to help local law enforcement deal with the fact they had to transport
you of a trophy shot. explain that. well, i said someone else actually said that. i didn t say it reminded me of that. yeah, that s a journalist friend of mine said that and i was like, wow, i hadn t thought of that. you know, that s a that s his opinion. you know, and i think other people, you know, reactions today, some say, well, it s youthful indiscretion and then others really feel like they should be prosecuted for this. you know, it s a civil rights violation. some, of course, suspecting that they shot the sign and then posed in front of it. yeah. listen, we ll let law enforcement deal with what should happen and what will happen. yes. and you said, you know, youthful indiscretion, but, i mean i didn t say that. i m saying that s what some people are saying. some people are saying, right. but youthful indiscretion.
they shot the sign and then posed in front of it. yeah. listen, we ll let law enforcement deal with what should happen and what will happen. yes. and you said, you know, youthful indiscretion, but, i mean i didn t say that. i m saying that s what some people are saying. a youthful indiscretion, but why would why would it even enter someone s head to stand in front of a sign like that with guns considering what happened to emmett till? that s ignorance and i don t know. i don t know. taught to them by someone. yeah, and, i mean, i think one of the sad parts of this is, you know, they don t completely know who emmett till is. maybe they understand sort of who emmett till is, but you re absolutely correct, if they really understood who emmett till was, they wouldn t have anything to do with this. right. because he his death, as you well know, propelled the civil rights movement, really,