comes after the searches to his properties. amazing. as we re watching to see what happens in the courthouse behind you today we re learning more from the january 6th committee. they re staring down the deadline, have to make a decision about referrals to the justice department. now we re learning they may be considering more people than initially believed. what have you learned on that snr. the count right now is they may be looking to a referral for donald trump but there are four others they may be considering making confidential referrals on. this is the wind down face of the house select committee investigation into january 6th and this is the handoff they re trying to make to the justice department as the justice department criminal investigation continues around the 2020 election. the four people, mark meadows, john eastman, jeffrey clark, rudy giuliani, so it s the closest advisers around donald trump wanting to block the
period right after the election up to january 6th and thereafter and you can bet that that s what the justice department wants to talk about. but he did reject out of hand testifying in front of the january 6th congressional committee. let s listen to him speaking about that recently. yeah. congress has no right to my testimony. the very notion of a committee on congress and congress summoning a vice president to speak about deliberations that took place at the white house i think would violate that separation of powers. so that was from our cnn town hall a week ago. evan, why is he considering this doj request while rejecting congress? well, unlike the former president who has gone to court trying to claim all kinds of separation of powers issues in a justice department criminal investigation, i think the former vice president realizes and understands that that is not an excuse that he can use here, right? this is the justice department. it is the same branch of government i
from her former federal prosecutor and joyce vance prophesy a professor at the fourth msnbc analysts. joyce can you understand the significance of subpoenaing what is cancel in the white house justice department criminal investigation? seems a huge step in their investigation? how do you see it? it s very important certainly and what this signifies is that the justice department has now moved on to including the former president in their field of interest. doj doesn t investigate individuals it doesn t target individuals at looks a crime. so what this decision to subpoena the white house counsel and his deputy means is that the former presidents conduct is within the scope of the investigation, because the white house counsel spoke directly to donald trump he might be able to elicit testimony from him about trump s reaction when he was told and show evidence that he
probably is of very deep interest and what the president did. there s no doubt that this investigation has developed further along even though where we thought it was a few months ago. joining us now glenn kirschner former prosecutor and joyce vance, a law professor alabama law school and both are msnbc analysts. joyce, can you understand the significance of subpoenaing white house counsel in the white house justice department criminal investigation? seems a huge step in their investigation? how do you see it? it s very important certainly and what this signifies is that the justice department has now moved on to including the former president in their field of interest. doj doesn t investigate individuals, it doesn t target individuals, it looks at crime. so what this decision to subpoena the white house counsel and his deputy means is that the former president s
this is day two of our coverage of the criminal investigation of the 45th president of the night states, and day two has gone exactly expected exactly as expected in investigations like this. we ve learned the identity of another very important cooperating witness, with the justice department criminal investigation of donald trump, and a potential group of coconspirators that includes most prominently, trump white house chief of staff mark meadows, and attorney rudy giuliani who is no longer legally license to practice law. here is the witness, who we learned today is cooperating with the justice department criminal investigation of donald trump. did rudy giuliani ever suggest that he was interested in receiving a presidential