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infrastructure to bring nearly 800,000 barrels a day of canadian oil to the u.s. which economy is predicated for now and decades into the future on resilient oil resources to make sure we can do what we need to do as a nation. so that s long term. joshua, what s the argument? what are you seeing in the short term in order to get to that long-term picture? well, john talked about this pipeline as a pipeline to the united states. we see more as a pipeline through the united states. this is an export pipeline. this isn t about united states energy prices and this isn t about energy security in the u.s., this is about getting canadian tar sands to the international market. so on friday, the editor in chief of science magazine did a 180 really on the pipeline. she opposed it at first but then now supports the project and in this op-ed she writes this saying, quote, unfortunately blocking keystone xl will not reduce greenhouse gas emissions nor will it increase investment
in row newable forms of energy but allowing keystone xl to move forward could advance both goals. joshua, what do you say about that latest op-ed? if we add 800,000 barrels of day of the dirtiest type of petroleum product, how can we assume that won t have any climate impact? if i pick out at a buffet, i can t lie and say it s not going to impact my belly. john, how do you respond to that? well, the 800,000 barrels are going to be produced regardless of what the u.s. does. canadians are fully capable of building a pipeline to the east or the west to export their oil to the other parts of the world. the reality is the oil is going to be produced based upon the sovereign nation of canada s long-term export strategy. i want to dispute the myth that this oil is to be exported through the u.s. that is not the case. i personally signed contracts when i was president of shell to use canadian oil sands oil in
and a former president of shell oil. and joshua sachs is legislative director for the national wildlife federation. good to see you as well. john, you first. how much does nebraska set back this project potentially, and are you worried that other heartland states might follow suit? no, not really worried at all. this is a legal skur fufl. they happen all the time in the energy industry. what you do is work your way through the process, understand what s at stake, what are the issues and figure out how to resolve the issues so you can move forward. i think that will take a few months, maybe a little longer, but after five and a half years of waiting, it s a very short period of time. joshua, why should one state s concerns be able to potentially jeopardize a project that promises to cut the nation s fuel costs by reducing reliance on imports and potentially create thousands of jobs? well, these aren t just states concerns, these are the concerns of citizens who live in these stat
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