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Going to continue. you may see some votes that change before we get the final vote here on the first ballot but not enough from mccarthy to take on the first ballot. sandra: the way we would expect? in favor of mccarthy are you suggesting? well if negotiating horsetrading in the back. i think it is the allies of mccarthy who are doing it. you won t see mccarthy on the floor. i think he will project, you know, some smiling and backslapping. you need to switch 15 votes. not this time. he will not do it on this ballot. we are into history and may be multiple ballots over the next john: how many of those 19 do you think are hard no mccarthy and how many, okay, this is a show vote now because he will not make it. so i will cast my vote for somebody else just to send a message. that is a great question, definitely five hard no votes may be ten. ....
Which is totally personal and you don t like kevin mccarthy because steve scalise will rule just like mccarthy did and like don paneer has to purity what you have to do as speaker is not the hard-core lefty or righty. you have to be able to make deals like a diverse party and why do people pretend that it is my way or the highway with the u.s. congress? have they ever gone to history class or social studies? you do not need a hard-core ideologue and that spot. you need a dealmaker to say i will not be personally involved. i want the best deal possible peer that is why i felt mccarthy was best because he was not dug in on anything. even paul ryan was dug in on conservative issues that mccarthy which is pliable and flexible to get together with all sides of the party let alone whenever you need to accredit votes. sandra: thanks, brian, standby with continuing coverage, john. john: chad pergram standing fight as we go through this vote. we ve got ten voting no to ....
Majorities that emerge in politics, whether it be after election night or in a house speaker vote. this reflects the tensions that exist in the country right now. there are a small group of people, but they are mighty and forceful who want to see real reform. i think this group has had a tough time articulating exactly what that looks like, although we know they want a real investigation the department of justice and fbi. i think we will see some movement eventually and all of this around some of these issues. that is where potential agreement may lie. i do think karl rove s point is interesting, the two things this faction want to much for kevin mccarthy he ended up giving them pure they moved the goalpost and wanted more. this has a period of frustration for the republican party. no doubt about it and quite interesting to watch to see where it is headed. john: there is an old children books give a mouse a cookie and the situation here. the last, they will ask for more ....
Within the party. and people who are trying to sort of determine where the whole thing goes from here and which side they are on. it is messy, choppy, and out the midterm election i think a lot of republicans thought they were going to get. now you see this sort of outgrowth of that that is continuing to be a very messy process in the house right now. john: so, we have 19 people, martha, voted for someone other than mccarthy. biggs got the lion s share of that. i wouldn t think that all of those 19 are hard nos and we heard hard yeses but not all hard-nosed. but when you take a look at what andy biggs is saying, it doesn t look like in the amount of force trading can placate and bring him over to the maccarthy si side. mccarthy is never going to get speaker. that is right. it was interesting what happened over the weekend, john. they got this huge recession for ....
Taking place right now, brett. it is important to point out perspective and biggs got ten votes, mccarthy 203. so yes, he got ten votes they managed to block. however, he is not going to be, biggs, and a big speaker of the house by the pure numbers and where things stand. mccarthy could be speaker of the house, although it looks worse right now because you are on the first ballot. you could go many days like this, which is just historic marker. what we are watching here is ugly. it is sausage making but it is also history because it hasn t happened in 100 years. and before that, when you get to multiple ballots and multiple days, you are talking about 1849 and 1856. john: you have to go back a long way to find something is screwed up as this process today. so, let s look at biggs because he is as sandra pointed out, a ....