the theory there was ambiguity in the law and the law needed to be cleaned up to make clear what the vice president s roles and responsibilities are in counting electoral votes. for those reasons, it is a difficult case for the prosecutor to make at the end of the day, one i don t think will stand up to constitutional challenges on appeal if there is a verdict, but convincing jurors the president engaged in a criminal enterprise, i don t think it is going to happen. trey: state of mind, mens rea, people who have never had to do it, you and i did, it is harder than you might think. john lee ratcliffe, thank you for explaining it where i could follow it. we look forward to having you back on, thank you for joining us.
question, fair moderator and get out of the way. trey: if you are your self you ll be seen as all of that because that s all you ve ever been, i can t think of anyone better to do this, the only thing i worry about, you have two candidates from south carolina and there is a chance you will not understand what they say. that is my only fear is the accident. can you do translation for me. i will, yes i will, best of luck on wednesday night. bret baier and i will see you then, thank you so much. trey: coming up, more indictments for former president trump, plus a second fbi employee pleads guilty in connection with russia, former director of national intelligence john lee ratcliffe and house intelligence committee member dan crunch alright after the break.
as it relates to the 2020 election, you may recall special counsel jack smith alleged co-conspirator unnamed in his indictment, georgia prosecutors did not, among the accused co-conspirators are rudy giuliani, sidney powell and mark meadows, joining us on the latest charges as a former director of national intelligence and former federal prosecutor john lee ratcliffe, welcome director and special counsel jack smith charged conspiracy, the atlanta da charged rico, the folks at home you can include me, what is the difference if two or more agree to violate the law a lack of conspiracy versus ricoh or is it too complicated for me to understand. no it is not, even you can understand this. the conspiracy is two or more people who plan to commit a crime where the rico statute requires two or more people to
not only did they fail in society but they are succeeding as a defense. trey: better on the front end. will be watching to see if we can get rid of another progressive prosecutor, thank you for joining us on sunday night. one year ago name the inflation reduction act, what should be called today, senate finance committee member john barrasso from the great state of i m patriotic kenny. and, hi, i m amanda on tiktok. my scooter broke down. i went into a depression. how do you feel about that? pretty sad. and i posted it to show that kenny s not always happy.
theory that there was ambiguity in the law and the law needed to be cleaned up to make clear what the vice president roles and responsibilities were in accounting electoral votes. for all of those reasons is a difficult case for the prosecutor to make in this. at the end of the day i don t think we ll see that the constitutional challenges on an appeal if there is a verdict by convincing 12 jurors that the president had the state of mind to engage in a criminal enterprise overturned, i don t think it s going to happen. trey: the state of mind, the only people who think intent is easy to prove are people who never had to do it. you and i did, it s harder than you might think that john lee ratcliffe, thank you for explaining even where i could maybe follow it, we look forward to having you back on, thank you for joining us.