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Lens, partisan or not. but that doesn t mean that we re unreliable witnesses, okay? and i think as we ve learned, the takeaway from the past two years is that, yes, there are republicans and there are democrats, but it s not about that. it s about who is going to be a patriot first. i actually think john brennan is an extremely credible person, and we should listen more to what he has to say than rudy giuliani, who has zero credibility. spirited start to this hour. all four of you will be here for the rest of the hour, so thank you. upping the ante. just how far john brennan is willing to go to prevent others from having their security clearances revoked by the president. that next. if my clearances and my reputation as i m being pulled through the mud now if that s the price we re going to pay to prevent donald trump from doing this against other people, to me it s a small price to pay. sfx: [cell phone dialing] ....
Active, at least on-air as of late, also on meet the press. let s listen to former cia director brennan. you have gone farther than most on collusion. you ve gone farther than most on conspiracy. is this no, i haven t gone further on conspiracy, chuck. i said collusion is certainly in plain sitght. the things that have come out, the individual who have admitted to wrongdoing with the russians, these are things and this is what speaks to collusion. finally to you, mara. he said collusion is in plain sight. conspiracy, saying i m not going to really say that. obstruction, yes, i m watching that too. so brennan being very strong over the last couple of days about his clear view of what this president is doing. it s nice to listen to someone who comes from a reality-based place, isn t it? i mean i think john brennan is a very credible actor. listen, we all come into a conversation, and we all view a set of facts through a certain ....
Decision. i think, you know, we re talking about here is citizens who are doing their jobs. in the same way he s attacking journalists for doing their jobs as american citizens, he s attack bruce orr and john brennan, all citizens that serve the country in specific capacities. i think in this particular moment, he needs to rebut strongly. journalists have already been the victims of violence. and we don t want that to become a norm where journalists need to have armed security guards everywhere they go. that s not the country we want to live in. which did happen to the boston globe which received a bomb threat the day of the publication, how is that handled? the globe received many threats over the years and we re used to this thing. the bigger picture is journalist dozen the important work on a local level all around the world. what message does it send to moscow and beijing that the press can be treated like a domestic threat? let s bring in evan on this ....
Professional. i have seen the lights blinking red in terms of what mr. trump has done and is doing and is bringing this country down on the global stage. and he s fueling and feeding divisiveness within our country. not backing down. you heard him just this morning on meet the press with chuck todd. former cia director john brennan standing by his claims he has made that president trump did commit treason. brennan speaking out on meet the press days after losing his security clearance and getting some pushback over his accusations that when it comes to trump and russia, collusion is in plain sight. those were his words. joining us now on our panel is alina maxwell, msnbc political analyst, evan siegfried as well as elie mystal, thank you for being back as well. daniel cevallos also still on the table. let s start on the opposite end. what do you make of what he said, john brennan here? and is he credible? should he be talking? ....
His unprecedented move praised by some republicans while criticized by national security officials of both parties. i thought it was kind of a banana republic kind of thing. i don t like it. i think it is inappropriate. reporter: we are getting word from another former top commander, the commander who oversaw the raid, the bin laden raid. he is a friend of john brennan s. he said please revoke my security clearance, too. he said it would be an honor to be on the list with john bren n brennan. jeff zeleny at the white house, let s discuss this. let s talk about it. admiral mcraven, an american hero in charge of special ops during the bin laden aid. he says to president trump i would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance. you have embarrassed us through ....