plus his name would have been in the news. it looks to me like he was a kid one of the many volunteers in there. he was in a photo op with these volunteers the president spoke about him specifically. he was authorized by paul manafort to have meetings with russians. you can characterize him in whatever way you like, he was important enough to have those conversations. everything we have shows that those meetings were not accepted and the campaign did not not by the campaign. he said they were approved by the campaign. i don t know that they were approved, erin. there were seven e-mails where he asked to set up meetings, and six of them before we go, i want to ask you, paul about tony podesta, brother of the clinton campaign chairman, john bow december ta now stepping aside from his lobbying firm, he s doing so because of these charges. he s referred to company b in paul manafort s indictment.