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Biden was talking about and disagreement joe biden was talking about with regard to jim eastland is joe biden believes he didn t agree with jim eastland because joe biden was not an unreconstructed bigot which jim eastland was. joe biden came into the senate as part of a wave of moderate right democrats replacing older border state and southern segregationist democrats and in some cases some republicans who were pro civil rights, but also had a limit to what they wanted to do to use the government to force integration. so there were places where joe biden was in agreement in policy with eastland. for instance on school bussing which we ve heard a fair amount about already in this campaign. and that was not a small place of agreement. joe biden was not somebody who voted with eastland on bussing. he was somebody who led the anti-bussing movement. he talked about bussing being a bankrupt concept and didn t want the federal government to get so ....
Degrading. joing us now is kate bedingfield. she s the communications director for biden s campaign. kate, we re so happy to have you here with us this morning to walk us through all of this. thank you for being on. nk thats for having me. what can you tell us about vice president biden s side of that conversation last night? look, i think the most important thing here is the story the vice president was telling was about how awful the segregationist views of jim eastland and herman townlege were. the entire point of the story was they held views that were repugnant to him and that was reflected in the way they talked. what he did in the senate was to take them on. he passed an extension of the voting rights act. and he spent his entire career from the time he was elected fighting to protect and expand civil rights in this country. yes, i understand his history. in terms of the conversation last night, what does vice president biden think the upshot was? does he still want an ....
And the 12-hour pain-relieving strength of aleve. that dares to last into the morning. so you feel refreshed. aleve pm. there s a better choice. welcome back. joe biden has the most to prove as most of the democrats running for president come together tonight in south carolina. the event, congressman jim clyburn s fish fry, giving the candidates a chance to mingle with african-american activists and voters who are absolutely critical in south carolina s big presidential primary. biden has deep support there and is hoping to prove his recent words with working with racist segregationist colleagues doesn t cost him any of this support. team biden is insisting this story in their view is blown out of proportion. the story the vice president was telling was about how awful the segregationist views of jim eastland and herman tallmadge were. the entire point of the story was that they held views that ....
joining our conversation, matt biser of the washington post, matt and katherine lucy. i get why the biden campaign wants to say this is much ado about nothing and is being taken out of context. joe biden says there s not a racist bone in his body. nobody is questioning that, they re questioning his judgment. if you were asked a question how do you get things done when you have to work with difficult people, whether it s vladimir putin or some segregationist, racist jerk in the senate, that s one thing. he brings this up. that s a judgment question, it s not a racism question. no one was talking about jim eastland at the start of this week. joe biden introduced him into the conversation of the 2020 campaign. there s sort of two issues at play. the first is him bringing up to begin with and the second is ho. i think there s an element of him calling on cory booker to apologize to him that rubbed some people the wrong way. ....
Clyburn is hinting at talk about this unforced error a little bit, vice president. illustrate a little bit your judgment in how you handled this, why did you misspeak. we haven t heard that from him. he s only had private fund-raisers. today is the first moment really for him to address these if he wants to, to answer a little bit and expound upon sort of why he introduced jim eastland at that point i want you to listen to barbara lee of california, one of the veteran members of the black caucus. one of the democrats maybe not publicly on record for biden but ready to support him if he s the candidate saying that an event like this, makes you think, hmm. but let me tell you, saying something to the effect that i was treated like a son and not a boy is quite offensive. he has supported and led on many civil rights issues. i don t think that s the issue. i think the issue is being tone deaf to what is offensive. yeah, i mean i think you re ....