context of this witness tampering is they were using trump supplied lawyers who were potentially in turn pressuring those agents not to be forthcoming. perjury is a crime including lying under oath in testimony to congress and to the extent that it s going to be helpful to the doj to get witness transcripts, i mean they are free if they want to, to bring in those same agents to testify to the grand jury and if they tell untruthful things to the grand jury or tell contradictory things under oath to two different entities they re on the hook for perjury and a federal prosecution. we re going to talk to one of the police officers who was there on january 6th fighting for his own life and fighting to protect our democracy. he was also there in the room today to hear about these criminal referrals for the former president. capitol police officer harry dunn will join us next. stay with us. [ crowd chanting ] it was clear that it was escalating, escalating quickly.
congress and to the extent that it s going to be helpful to the doj to get witness transcripts, i mean they are free if they want to, to bring in those same agents to testify to the grand jury and if they tell untruthful things to the grand jury or tell contradictory things under oath to two different entities they re on the hook for perjury and a federal prosecution. we re going to talk to one of the police officers who was there on january 6th fighting for his own life and fighting to protect our democracy. he was also there in the room today to hear about these criminal referrals for the former president. capitol police officer harry dunn will join us next. stay with us. [ crowd chanting ] it was clear that it was escalating, escalating quickly. [ crowd chanting, hang mike pence ] when we got the mike pence tweet sent out i remember us saying that that was the last thing that needed to be tweeted at that moment. it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting
council that they re pressuring, the secret service agents. there are a lot of questions about what the agents knew to the degree to which they were protecting the president, maybe lying or not being forthcoming under oath. they said, a small number of secret service agents engaged private counselor for their interviews rather than rely on representation by secret service leaders who have been framed. the implication there, and the context of this witness tampering is that they re using trump supplied lawyers who were potentially intern pressuring those secret service agents not to be forthcoming. purdue is a crime, and lying under oath in testimony to congress, to the extent that is going to be helpful to the doj with the transcripts. they are free if they want to, to bring in those same agents to testify to the grand jury. if they tell untruthful things to the grand jury or contradictory things, to given into these, they re on the hook for perjury potentially in a federal prosecuti
in just a couple of hours now the leader of the far right extremist group the oath keepers will be in court facing seditious conspiracy charges. they are the most consequential charges yet relate to the january 6th capitol attack, and the indict lays out some disturbing evidence of the alleged plotting by stuart rhodes, this man, and ten others. the allegations include a scouting trip and a stash of weapons for a quick reaction force. members breaching the capitol in a military formation on january 6th fighting police and searching for nancy pelosi. and a continued plot to use force to stop the transfer of power after the capitol attack failed. let s break this down with cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez. first, what can you tell us about today s arraignment? well, ana, we expect that this is going to be a procedural