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30 percent. and today they are sky high. and indiana, you have five states with a surplus. right. and mitch daniels did it by executive order. on january 12th, 2005. and not only did he end collective bargaining but vowed to return the full-time equivalent to the number of government employees to the time it was in 1978 and you re right his numbers tanked but then by the time of rehr-bgs he won overwhelmingly because people woke up and say this made our state s finances in a better state and helped us weather the storm and you re right, not only is its budget in good shape, it s better comparatively to the rest of the midwestern states when it comes to the jobless, the only industrial midwestern state to add jobs last year, so i think governor walker is making the same khral indication, i understand how unpopular it will be at first blush but people will wake up and find out the state is better and stronger for having done it. bill: karl, thank you for coming in. ....