and what we think the boundaries are in a hostile environment, in a hostile world. martha: a lot of people feel very differently. one thing the interrogate jae interrogator is wrong about is that people have abandoned him. they haven t. the reports it an outrage. you could probably get the same conclusions about how it was poorly organized in the beginning and went too far in the beginning but what you wouldn t get is this ridiculous notion is this was a rogue cia operation and the cia is going out of control for the heck of it to torture people. this that s ridiculous. it was briefed up to the top intelligence committee members. you look at the continue interrogation of ksm. even the feinstein report quotes