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yeah. he is operating in fantasy. he drafted something that is completely made up. so i would imagine that most attorneys, or apparently no attorney wants to sit there and defend something that s science fiction or you know, out of some crazy, fantastic movie. so that s the issue here. look, mark meadows and others are probably going to do whatever they need to do to defend themselves and, you know, will maybe put out as much information as they think is reasonable. but eastman this is just i mean, why would anyone sign up for that? literally, it is easier to represent someone charged with murder. so amazing. you have all bunt my mind saying it is easier to represent an accused murderer than john eastman. wow. carlos, jackie, and mike thank you all so much for starting us off this hour. when we come back, another ....
Have said they would no interest in representing him. there are in fact lawyers who rebuffed overtures from him to represent him. they don t want anything to do with him because they are so put off by what he did, and find it so hard to defend. it s not only what is written in the memo, but even what came out in the past week, in this video of him speaking about this. they are very concerned about being associated with someone who, you know, helped the president try and overthrow an election here and they don t want anything to do with him. it s just one of the difficulties and one of the things that will slow down the committee here because they need good lawyers on the sides of these witnesses in order to negotiate the terms for interviews, to get them in for interviews, to get information from them. this will slow them down. jackie, i find that so extraordinary. i mean you look at some of the ....
Chairman, bepy thompson, and the vice chair, liz cheney, in saying that a subpoena for donald trump isn t out of the question. in pursuing both the subpoenas and the contempt charge for steve bannon, it seems, jackie, that this retirement in some ways may free him up even more than he already appears to be to do what carlos is talking about, to get to the truth. yeah, that s that might be true. i also think that in some way, him, you know, sort of taking a concession in the view of pro-trump republicans and going ahead and retire also knewer thes some of the power he had previously enjoyed as a republican who was not retiring on this committee. i mean him and liz cheney have added some important important bipartisan bone phied to the work this committee is doing. there is no doubt. ....
Imperilled. the stakes of the investigation of the january 6th committee is where we start this hour. carlos curbelo is here, he is one of the lawmakers who signed onto the brief we just read from. also joining us, jackie al mainy, author of the early 202 newsletter. and mike schmidt is here, new york times washington correspondent. also an msnbc national security contributor. congressman, i start with you, and your thoughts on the retirement of someone who has to be the most effective person calling out republican hypocrisy and submission to donald trump. it s a major loss for the congress, nicole, and a major loss for the country. i served alongside adam kinzinger. he is an honest man. he is unafraid. he will pursue the truth wherever it leads. and the good news for the country is that he still has over a year left in congress, ....
And i can assure you, he will use all of his resources and all of his time to continue pursuing the truth with regards to what happened on january 6th. and not just the truth, but who needs to be held accountable. so it s a big loss for the congress. by the way, adam kin zinger is not running away. he s going to remain active. he s also a kim of redistricting in illinois, which is happening all over the country. so i don t want people to think that he s walking away. he s not. he pretty much doesn t have a choice given the way the maps are going to work out in illinois. but the good news, again, is that we still have him for over a year. want to come to you, jackie al mainy. was this a surprise to his colleagues or his staff? or was this, for some of the reasons the congressman cited, expected? i think regardless of the reality here and the message that former congressman corbelo is putting forth here, this is a ....