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design. during that timeframe, we are hopeful to get some of the results from the early implementation projects. we hope to get the regulatory determination so we know what the ultimate target is at the end of the day. one of the other things not to decide on is one of the other reasons that we pick the 30-foot tunnel is because we know we will get it to 10. and in order to be in compliance with existing requirements we can do this, and to be in a stronger negotiating position with the regulators, that we are doing a project that will get us to meet that. the balance is the reality that says in this process, if there are ways to lower the investment in the gray, bring in some green and has other multiple benefits up in the system, and we can get to that same end target cost effectively, we can do it and spend the same amount of money, or close. and my question is whether it could be less. we that forward to the next workshop and whether we will have to balance these i ....