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He wants the facts to come out. the facts are going to come out under bob mueller. scott olson, thank you for being here. i m joined now by congressman jamie raskin, democrat from maryland. congressman, you are of the belief that you ve signed on, i believe, to an effort in the house to essentially try to begin the process of removing the president, though not through impeachment. is that correct? well, the constitution, chris, gives us a bunch of different tools. so one tool, of course, is impeachment. another tool is prosecution, which is taking place now with the appointment of the special prosecutor, which is excellent news and a good choice. but another tool is the 25th amendment, which deals with the problem of presidential incapacity. it was adopted in the 1960s. it s been used for temporary incapacities where presidents have signed over to the vice president powers temporarily. but there s another provision, section 4, which says that the president can be removed by a maj ....
Particularly in these type of investigations they like to operate in the shadows. as soon as it becomes public, if there is a conspiracy, the conspirators change their behavior, the way they communicate. so now they re just looking backward. there s really little chance of them catching current criminal activity. that s why we see all these record requests and grand jury subpoenas. they re looking closely at any business relationships between americans and russians in this, chris. ken dilanian, thank you for that report. joining me now, democrat senator ron wyden. senator, your reaction to the news that robert mueller has been named as a special counsel in this matter. chris, i ve had some strong differences of opinion with bob mueller on governments, surveillance authority over law-abiding americans, but i have always considered bob mueller to be both professional and an honorable man. mitch mcconnell put out a really sort of almost comically understated statement in which he es ....
Some morale here, but there is some concern that all of the drama is getting in the way of actually getting stuff done. i will also say this. there is a real sense of frustration and deep suspicion in the white house over where these leaks have been coming from and information that has been coming out. listen, that s been reflected publicly too. you don t need me to tell you that. and frankly from republicans on capitol hill as well. hallie jackson, thank you for that. joining me now, ken dilanian. you and tom winter have a piece up walking through essentially what the status of this investigation that bob mueller will now be inheriting is. what do we know? chris, this is a follow the money investigation so far. and it s in its early stages although it seems like it s been going on for some time. we know that there are grand jury subpoenas flying around, and we ve learned that mike flynn and paul manafort mike flynn, the former national security adviser, paul manafort, the former ....
Open hearing and get answers to those questions. if comey were to lay out in an open hearing to confirm that, that he was asked a pledge of loyalty as reported, that the president explicitly asked him to go easy on flynn, would that constitute would that rise to the level of obstruction of justice in your mind? you know, i ran a legal aid program for the elderly, so i don t profess to be a lawyer with expertise in this field. but what i can tell you is based on what we know now and what the president admitted to on national tv, this is a pretty grim situation. all right. senator ron wyden, thanks for your time tonight. thank you. joining me now, congresswoman maxine waters of california. congresswoman, you ve been very outspoken about the president s behavior. your view of you believe that there was collusion, i think, is your operating thesis. what do you make of bob mueller s appointment? ....
Was no russian involvement with a few exceptions. that one? underline exceptions. and, of course, you know, the real question is the russians investing in matters relating to the president and his associates, and we ve got a lot of work to do. i also have put a hold, a public hold as we call it up here, chris, on a key treasury appointment to make sure we get those documents. i m on both the intelligence committee and the finance committee and both committees have got to have them. you referred to the president s actions and what he said about his mind set when he fired director comey, and i want to ask you about that because there are two matters at hand here. there s the fundamental first order question of the russian involvement and what happened, what possible collusion. that s the investigation bob mueller will be overseeing. then there s the question of obstruction. do you believe first of all, you re going to hear we re going to hear from director comey. are you inclined ....