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whatever one thinks of that particular president, the fact does congress does not typically question or subpoena presidents. this ain t england. the legislature does not question the president the way you would see in the sessions they hold with the legislature. but tonight the news is that might change. there s solid reporting that the house is eyeing trump himself as the january 6th committee is meeting behind closed doors, weighing what you see here the certainly costly potential clash over trying to make trump testify as well as pursuing an interview with pence. now, going to trump would surely take a subpoena and then a court battle over it. the wall street journal reporting all this. and trump spent his whole career resisting these kinds of moves. we know that. sometimes he prevails. sometimes he loses. there have been court losses that forced him into the taped deposition see here on your screen. that only came after he was forced into that situation. that wa ....
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on the factions of former president trump. key witnesses include two top aides of former vice president mike pence who were asked specifically about the fake elector scheme and the role the lawyers played. washington post reporting that investigators have emails and phone records of key officials and aides who served in the trump white house, including former chief of staff mark meadows. so until now there was almost no sign that the federal investigation had touched on the actions of the president himself. that is what makes these reports so significant. it changes the entire framing of what we know that the federal government, the department of justice, is doing here. and it comes at the same time that the new york times has this new report about so-called fake elector scheme, previously undisclosed emails that reveal trump advisers actually use the word fake. joining us now is david loughlin, former senior justice department official and former prosecutor, al ....
right pause because of the power of this factual evidence. take the republican prosecutor we have cited before, andrew mccarthy. a fox-news favorite, who wrote a whole book defending trump in the mueller probe, and accusing others of pushing the real collusion, which is one reason he is on fox quite a bit and has a huge conservative legal following. he was also appointee in the southern district of york under rudy giuliani himself, so he is a reagan appointee and that doj. but he is also someone who and you see his face on the screen you may recognize him because he is on fox he is someone who says he also tries to deal with legal analysis. perhaps, it is a more confident variety. he clearly was in the reagan revolution but he is respond to the evidence. he says when you look at the evidence, as a criminal-legal matter, it is devastating against trump, and that the new evidence in that hearing makes a big difference. he is saying this in public and this week, he is ....
republican tried to ambush and hand fraudulent electors to mike pence on january 6th. those stories and reports are coming up. but after a hearing like today s we begin with something more fundamental than a legal breakdown, and more powerful, perhaps, than meticulously going through the evidence, though that also matters. right now we begin with this. what millions of americans saw and heard today from the top republican leader out of arizona in plain, serious, and stern testimony about the choices officials have to make, the tests that trump posed, tests that, by the way, many republicans have fail bid cowering to a would be autocrat by minimizing threats of violence and coups, by only speak out late, if at all. some have walked back from some of those public humiliations. others just live in them. but today s testimony by this republican here offers a view of what it looks like to stand up. i said, look, you are asking me to do something that is counter to my oath ....