used one of their inmate phones because i wanted the prerecording that says, you re receiving a call from a california penal institution, blah, blah, blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time. there was a pause there where they ask you if you re willing to accept. and he said no, click. then i waited about five minutes and i call him again. and this time fred took the call. i said i m the guy that did the work at your house for you and i m going to need my other half. i m going to need my money, you know, for an attorney. he says, you already have it. i said no. and he said, well, you need to talk to your guy. your guy. he could only mean frank jaramillo. but he didn t say the words. didn t say anything incriminating. and so, he tried something different. much riskier. time to get uncle john involved. coming up frank?
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you wanna make sure he s and what is he not gonna say anything. and what does he have to trade? reporter: first, detective nelson decided, he d go for broke. by phoning fred schockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. so, how did you go about doing this? i went to county jail and i used one of their inmate phones, cause i wanted the prerecording that says, you re receiving a call from a california penal institution, blah, blah, blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time. there s a pause there where they ask you if you re willing to accept. and he and he said, no, click. and then i waited about five minutes and i called him again. reporter: and this time, fred took the call. and i said, you know, i m the guy that did that work at your house for you. and i said, well, you know, i m gonna need my other half. i m gonna need my money, you know, for an attorney. and he says, well, you already have it. and i said, no. an
nelson. i was armed with information now. nick harvey s told the homicide guys what s up. they ve told me. so now if you re frank and fred, frick and frack. reporter: yeah. your biggest concern is that nick s caught. reporter: yeah. of course. you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. what does he have to trade. reporter: first detective nelson decided he d phone fred schockner himself and pretend to be the hired killer, nick harvey. how did you go about doing this? i went to county jail and i used one of their inmate phones because i wanted the prerecording that says, you re receiving a call from a california penal institution, blah, blah, blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time. there was a pause there where they ask you if you re willing to accept. and he said no, click. then i waited about five minutes and i call him again. reporter: and this time fred took the call. i said i m the guy that did the work at your house for you and i m going to
how did you go about doing this? i went to county jail and i used one of their inmate phones because i wanted the prerecording that says, you re receiving a call from a california penal institution, blah, blah, blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time. there was a pause there where they ask you if you re willing to accept. and he said no, click. then i waited about five minutes and i call him again. reporter: and this time fred took the call. i said i m the guy that did the work at your house for you and i m going to need my other half. i m going to need my money, you know, for an attorney. he says, you already have it. i said no. and he said, well, you need to talk to your guy. reporter: your guy.
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