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Agents and decided which dnc e-mails he decided to hack himself. we have a long list of contacts between the trump campaign and russians including manafort. i commend people to read david ignatius s piece today. we wrote about this in our book, michael and myself. then you also have this happening while the attack is under way. you know, trump signaled to the russians again and again and again with many different actions that he didn t mind the russian attack on the american election. and even early when manafort is hired to be his campaign manager, my colleague michael isikoff reports that he s in debt $18 million to a russian oligarch who is close to putin. did that cause any pause on the trump campaign? none at all. it s mysterious. i can t figure out what manafort s end game here is, right in the saying that the warrant was over broad and the certainly was bad, that is a ....
Capable of compartmentalizes his permanent interactions with people in this probe. i m not making light of the fact that perhaps rudy giuliani is influential and that his reputation will proceed him in this case. but whether or not they can accelerate a position where we do not know where the targets are. we heard only two weeks ago the president was not a target, was perhaps a subject in some respects. i think it s a fantasy still. even with reputation, can counsel, a chance that he would accelerate the end on of the investigation. it is very far reaching. and he does not have power of counsel over, including manafort, michael flynn and others. true, true. what about the political implications in all of this? the memos came out. they were theoretically leaked to bolster the president s position having some republicans in position of power, saying the public needed to see these ....
People, including manafort, including jared kushner. and so the legal team was aware at this time that these e-mails existed. and, of course, the times would subsequently report that the e-mails existed and exactly what was in them and donald trump saying, if you say if it s dirt like you say, i love it. i love it. they knew all that at the time that we first made this call, at the time that they made that they were putting that statement together. and the thing that, you know, got sort of my attention about this story is that you have next day this dispute over how mark corral owe saying, hey, guys, there are records and they re gonna come out. and it s in the context, right, of these multiple investigations that are going on. and that s when he says, hope says those documents will never come out because only a few ....
He didn t say yes or no. i have been told by a campaign official to push back against this narrative, just because he was a volunteer he wasn t important. so many people were, in fact, volunteers, including manafort. thank you so much. always food reporting. let s bring in analyst jonathan alter, also a columnist for the daily beast joining us shortly, jonathan, with a good day to you. good morning. can jeff sessions make the case that he honestly did not recall the contacts? how far does that argument get him? well, you know, he got into hotter water this week because al franken, senator al franken sent him a letter that pretty much indicated there were real signs he may have perjured himself in testifying before a senate committee. just saying things that were not so. not, i don t remember, but i had no such meetings. these quotes are not accurate. that was the gist of it. ....
Nothing that what manafort and gates have been charged with has anything to do with what robert mueller was charged with in his investigation? that may be factually accurate but the way that federal investigations usually work is that they look to squeeze lower level people on violations that may be unrelated in order to get them to cooperate with the government and prosecute people higher up on the ladder. so it s not so relevant whether or not what they are charged with is related to collusion. what s relevant as has been noted is whether they ll be pressured into cooperating with the government. as they already have papadopoulos cooperating. he pled guilty october 5th. it sends a message to others, including manafort and gates, including others who haven t yet been charged that if you cooperate with the government you can get off easy and avoid a long jail term. if you don t you could be in trouble. and that probably has many people in trump s orbit ....