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Referral? well, the only thing i can say is highly unusual for anyone in charge of anything to watch what s going on and do nothing. now, what s unclear at this point is what was trump s intent and what was his mindset as the riots were unfolding and he was refusing to act for that period of time. and does that inaction amount to something criminal. that is what investigators are still working to determine. but bennie thompson did say that if they find a criminal act was committed, they have no problem making a criminal referral to the department of justice. paula? melanie zanona, thank you so much. joining me now senior political analyst and adviser to four presidents, david gergen and cnn analyst and staff writer for the new yorker susan glasser. david, the big headline from all of this is that someone talked. we don t know who, just that they were in the white house while trump was in his private ....

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