Statement in which she said she only became formally aware of the bugs and effects within the Horizon System in 2013, and prior to that she said she was aware of what she called rumblings about the system. She was pressed over when she learned of the horizon a bug. Jason beer asked her if she was aware that fujitsu had for me notified the post office of the receipts of Payments Mismatches on october 2020, she replied, she was not aware of that, she added she was not aware of a meeting between fujitsu and the post office in october 2010 to discuss the bug and she said she dont have that in 2013 and she was also asked towards the end of the session why the onus was on postmasters to prove their innocence rather than the post office to prove their guilt, she replied, i think back then the assumption was that if there was a loss in the branch, that it was the responsibility of the postmaster. Mr beer noted that there was a lot of assuming going on and she agreed. The inquiry is now taking