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president for two more years. obviously will have to work with the administration to see what we can agree on. let me put it this way, biden ran as a moderate to find the majority leader in the senate and kevin mccarthy as a speaker of the house, we will make sure joe biden is a moderate. dana: pickett of joe biden was in transition for me. mark penn a democratic pollster we asked them this week what he thought about the president s poll numbers and why they are down but you have known the president for decades, listen to this and i ll get your response on the other side. he did have this image of being kind of a likable uncle joe, ice cream joe. kind of friendly. and i think he has lost that. dana: do you think he has lost it? well, i think is a policies have not worked. beginning with the precipitous and ill advised withdrawal from afghanistan which became kind of a metaphor for the incompetence that is been on full display

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