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yes. now, ambassador taylor also testified that and mr. morrison both of them testified that you told them that president trump said there was no quid pro quo which you also included in the text message that you referred. but then you went on and they had slight variations as to what you told them, but then you said that to ambassador taylor that president zelenskiy himself not the prosecutor general needed to clear things up in public or there would be a stalemate. and mr. morrison recounted something similar. you don t have any reason to doubt that both of their very similar recollections of the conversations they had with you, do you, ambassador sondland? let me break that down, mr. goldman. the text as i said about the no quid pro quo was my effort to respond to ambassador taylor s concerns to go to president trump apparently ambassador taylor had access to secretary pompeo. he did not have access to president trump so i made the phone call. i said what do you want? ....
phoebe with ambassador taylor, was he assesssatisfied that thie was now behindti him? i don t really know, because when i responded, get ahold of the secretary, and he said i agree. i never knew i whether he reach out to the secretaryhe or not. that was sort of the end at one point in the text you said let s get on the phone, you said you re an individual that doesn t like to walk through these issues on texts when you can talk about it on the 1 telephone, correct? i say that to everybody when something becomes more substantive than a few lines of text, i say, let s talk. did you say that to ambassador taylor? i don t recall. i don t recall whether we spoke after that or whether he called the secretary. basically, mr. castor, wanted to get the notion across that i ve gone as far as i can go with this, you need to you re the ambassador, you need to pick up the ball and run with it at this point. okay. just getting back to the irregular channel, did anyone else expre ....
warrants? the concern grows out of the fact that all of the failures and the and the information that should ved been given and wasn t given. and the question being what was the intent? what what washa their intention? their motivation there. and what we determined was we couldn t definitively say what the motivation was. are these pretty smart people? fairly well-educated? at least well-educated. i don t know if they re smart. i don t know if we re very smart to beow honest with you. i was b going to say they have law degrees, right? at least somehe of them do. so you think the woods review for people at this level of the organization. to be clear, the stuff that didn t happen on the woods review was basic stuff. yeah. you didn t need to be a deeply-experienced fbi agent to be able to do it the right way. well, that s my point. so wouldn t you think that would almost be muscle p memory for people who are going through this process to know they had an obl ....
now behind him? i don t really know. he responded when i said get ahold of the secretary, he said i agree and i never knew whether he reached out to the secretary or not. that was sort of the end of that. at one point in your text you said let s get on the phone and you said you are an individual that doesn t like to walk through these issues on texts when you can talk about it on the telephone, correct? i say talk it on the telephone correct? i say that to everybody when something becomes more substantive and that then a few lines of text. the speaker did you talk with ambassador taylor? i don t recall whether we spoke after that or he called the secretary. basically mr. castor wanted to get the notion across that i had gone as far as i can go with this. you are the ambassador and you need to pick up the ball and run with it at this point. okay. just getting back to the regular channel, did anyone else expressed concerns to you about this so-called irregular chann ....
He said, i m going to make you get down on your knees. get down on your knees. at that point, i reached in my chair and i got up like this. and i know i stared right at him, and i may have shaken my head like this, i don t recall, but i know i mouthed no . and just that glare was the first time that we had shown any aggression toward him. we weren t subservient at that point. he started backing away immediately, and he went and sat down. now, i didn t see him put his gun down, but i did see him go to pour some soda. and when he did that, rabbi charlie picked up the chair, threw it, yelled run . i didn t see the chair go until i was running. i tripped as i was going out, and we ve got a hedgerow there, and i thought that i was going to go through the hedgerow. i started climbing under it. you fell to the ground and had to get up. and were you worried that he was going to catch you and kill you? i mean, yes, a little bit, but i was more concentrated ....