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And the number of people who have been taken through processes, disciplinary, grievances, etc, referred to the regulatory body, again, it is predominantly black, asian and minority ethnic staff. so, organisations have information to hand. it is just how they choose to interrogate it, and the action they take to change how things are set up in their organisation. and why do you think the situation is still like this in 2022? what do you think has been the cause for the lack of change and progress? i think it s a mindset. we talk about antiracism. people need to think about when they make decisions to recruit, or when they make decisions within a disciplinary process, why is it that a non black or asian person is more likely too, eh, get the job, even if they are may be ....
Them, if you like. and i think she was finding it hard to get to grips with the reality of her situation. and, you know, the rules then were different, so she faced a second ballot, she got roughly the same result as boris johnson ballot, she got roughly the same result as borisjohnson did, but she had to face a second ballot, so she could just carry on, and she had to listen to the advice of her colleagues, who said the would support her as she went on to the second round, but they didn t think she would win. so she got that very unwelcome, painfuladvice, she she would win. so she got that very unwelcome, painful advice, she had to put a smile on herface unwelcome, painful advice, she had to put a smile on her face about it, you know, a terrible process to go through, which ended up actually with her in tears and some of her cabinet team, when she told them about her resignation. this is, you know, these are relationships, this is a very kind of human situation. but the trouble here, ....
That i don t see a strong cabinet around borisjohnson, and she had downed our majorfigures in her cabinet prepared to stand up to her, and i don t think borisjohnson has that. so we are relying on backbenchers and junior ministers. what i think we might see is a slow drip of resignations and, you know, possibly some backbenchers voting against him on critical votes. this is going to be a slow process, i think, but i recognise the situation, i was there for the last 18 months of margaret thatcher, and it was slow, a first leadership challenge, you know, she could see a kind of process where she became ever more detached from reality. sorry to interrupt, just finally and briefly, caroline, talking about that slow process, is that what we are seeing in your opinion? yes, it s like a slow car crash, ....
Certainly one single day. the biggest single loss of life in the channel since 2014 according to one organisation that is very much involved in this was them and just to tell you that we are hearing that in parliamentary terms, the premise is going to be chairing an emergency cobra meeting a little later today to discuss this. so seems there will be on emergency cobra briefing, cabinet emergency briefing chaired by the prime minister to discuss this loss of life. joining me now is natalie elphicke, the mp for dover. good afternoon. first of all, just in terms of the human situation here, what is your understanding? what are you hearing about what is happening here? what are you hearing about what is happening here? well, this is such a traced happening here? well, this is such a tragedy and happening here? well, this is such a tragedy and everyone happening here? well, this is such a tragedy and everyone is happening here? well, this is such a tragedy and everyone is absolutely ....