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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 20190915 03:26:00

And these awards are extremely revered. what s interesting here and a way to tie what s happening with this awards ceremony next month and with the andrew mccabe case is people have been worrying that the justice department has become extremely politicized, that the justice department is working in order to please president trump. now, whether or not that s a true, neither of these things do a very good job of dissuading people from that notion. cynthia, as a doj veteran, is this just another norm to fall? you know what? it just makes you sick to your stomach. i don t know what to say. i love the justice department and it s just not the justice department that i love anymore. and katie is so much nicer than i am. people are worried about it becoming politicized. it is completely politicized. this andrew mccabe prosecution is completely politicized. tonight s response on the grand jury evidence that it s completely politicized. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 20190915 03:06:00

Desiderio, congressional reporter for politico, returning veterans. andrew, because your name was invoked, i ll begin with you. what does this dust-up with justice mean for those house democrats? right. this is exactly what house democrats have told me all week that they feared, the idea that essentially the inconsistent impeachment messaging could undermine their central claim to the grand jury information that was gathered as part of the mueller investigation. what the white house and the justice department have been able to do as a result of this filing is to take advantage of the fact that house democrats haven t identified a unified front on this issue, therefore, they do not have a right to this information. earlier in the week it was more a political misfire. now it has the potential to be a factual misfire in that it could hurt them in court. annie, loved your contributions last night during the debate. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 20190915 03:03:00

Whether we vote to impeach him. today s move by the justice department comes one day after the house judiciary committee voted to ramp up, as you heard chairman nadler allude to, its investigation of donald trump involving more hearings, more aggressive tactics when it comes to handling witnesses. tonight, jerry nadler spoke out about the latest effort to thwart the investigation. we ve been very clear for the last several months in court filings, in public statements, and in proceedings in the committee that we are, in fact, conducting an investigation, preparing to decide whether to recommend articles of impeachment in the house. this is another instance of the trump administration trying to cover up and hide from congress and from the american people, in this case from congress because the american people wouldn t see the grand jury information, all kinds of information. meanwhile, the i word, impeachment, appears to be on the president s mind of late. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 20190915 03:23:00

Jury, what you do is you say to them, i m going to quickly summarize the evidence for you. and then i m going to explain the law to you, and you do that, and then you say does anybody have any questions. if the question is what happens if we don t believe witnesses a, b, and c, and if we don t think you met the standard, then you know you should not submit the indictment. you don t get a no true bill if you re pay attention and doing your job because you understand what s happening in the grand jury room with the most simple of people skills. so i would find it shocking if that he got no true bill. it would be horrifyingly embarrassing for the prosecutors. katie, given that terrific and vivid example of what it s like inside the grand jury room, remind all the good folks watching tonight what this case is about and why mccabe might have gone public in such a public way. of course. so you have to go back in time to the russia investigation. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 20190915 03:10:00

The past in terms of grand jury testimony. going back to the nixon period and watergate, the house s power to impeach and investigating toward impeachment is something that is absolutely recognized by the courts as a reason to go and unseal that grand jury testimony for the congress to go look at it. and so if that was to be overturned, that would be a reversal of what the president has been before. i talked to a number of lawyers about this, folks who have gone back in the justice department as far as the johnson administration, so predating that nixon era. that doesn t in between court wouldn t change its mind based on what it s seeing today, but it s no wonder that the justice department under trump is making this argument. who knows how far it goes along in the court. maybe some of the justices the president has appointed to the supreme court will end up having a different view than the court has had in the past. ....

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