experts and the very justices themselves who said that friday s decision could be used to deprive americans of constitutional rights, just as sonia sotomayor wrote, the court leaves all manner of discussional rights more vulnerable than ever before. joining our conversation, barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor. claire is still here. barbara, this is a question i have been asking since august when the ban was first in place. if vigilanteism gets a green light from the united states supreme court whery not use it on other side of the idealism factory making in america? why not use it for good to take guns off the street? i agree with you, nicolle. i think this is what happens when you allow the ends to
forces intelligence and security committee. you interviewed with rachel maddow in our studio on that day. i wonder what you are making of this report from the select committee? hi nicolle, thank for having me on. it is shocking but also shouldn t be shocking because this is exactly what we have been hearing and seeing since january 6th, that donald trump and his enablers attempted to overthrow an election and stop our democratic process, period. there is a power pointed and documents circulated that they took this plan, this insurrection, this coup plan, and put it into a power point presentation, were trying to solicit support for it by using these documents. it is surely shocking. but this is a continued evidence. this is not over. er with not talking about history here. this outline as lot of the same things that donald trump and his supporters continue to try to
america. and there is an aggressive tone that is now not just democrats on the committee, but democrats and liz cheney and adam kinzinger. my question for you, does this feel different, does it read different, does it feel closer than other efforts to hold trump and his inner circle accountable? well, i do think it s different because there is such a plethora of evidence about their efforts to overturn the election. and speaking of evidence, nicolle, this retired colonel, he there is no evidence that anything he said in that power point is true about fraud, about venezuela and china controlling the election machines. i mean, if there was any evidence, any facts that would support overturning the election, they would have been presented with great fanfare. i mean, if this retired colonel
do, undermine our democracy. and of course how they do use folks like michael flynn and mr. wall draughn and others, people that have held positions of public trust in our military to try to advance those plans. i think they use those people because those are people who traditionally in normal times have more respectability, they conote trust. but this timing their target was the will of every american who hadn t voted for donald trump. i wonder how you feel personally. 12% of capitol riot cases, have former military experience. should we be surprised? are you surprised that so many military and exmilitary were involved in that effort to overthrow our own country, our own democracy? i am surprised, nicolle. i feel awful about it, to be honest with you. as you might recall i was one of
extraordinary reporting from luke and his colleagues, the reporters i have asked jonathan swan, reporters a the washington post who was functioning as the country s commander in chief. can t get a clear answer. whether it was trump or pence who called the national guard. now we know from this report the white house chief of staff was talking to kash patel, the pentagon chief of staff, quote, non-stop on january 6th. what do you think they were talking about? well, nicolle, when you have document production like this one of the things you look at is how much does it interact with some of the other questions that we already had. one of the glaring questions we have had is why there was that delay in the deployment of the national guard. what was the role of mike flynn who was in the pentagon that day? we have had reports there have been complaints that the official version that carbon monoxide out of the pentagon was covering something up, was whitewashing things. here s what s imp