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Transcripts for CNN New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar 20240604 12:06:00

Will be part of this discussion today. again, focusing on some of the new reporting overnight, the times reports that eastman was saying what he believed to be happening within the supreme court. he was telling people he knew what was happening in the supreme court with regards to one possible case. what are the implications of that? well, i mean, the first thing to understand, of course, is that we re only putting things out there that we understand to be evidence. and so if there is evidence that he said that, we will report that he said that. that doesn t necessarily mean it s true. he could have been lying about what he knew on the inside. on the other hand, perhaps he had some back channel connection to the supreme court, and we want to ferret that out if that s true, to determine whether the same people who establishing a back channel to the proud boys, the oath keepers, the 3%ers, the domestic violent extremist movement had a back channel also to the supreme court of the uni ....

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Transcripts for CNN New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar 20240604 10:06:00

that s right. we don t know exactly why eastman might believe or believe he can say he has insight, but we do know that the house in recent days was getting even additional emails from john eastman, they won a recent court order so they got new emails and in that latest batch there was in email correspondence that cnn has learned about between john eastman/ginni thomas, we don t know the nature of the contents, what they were. he is the sort of person that would have met ginni thomas, would have known her for many years, he would know justice thomas but we can say now that they were in touch. very interesting. kaitlan, thank you so much for the reporting. let s bring in cnn s senior legal analyst ellie honing and laura jarrett attorney at law and co-anchor of early start. this new reporting raises a whole bunch of new questions. i do want to start with this email from kenneth chess brow a pro dump lawyer who wrote to john eastman, odds of action by the supreme court before janu ....

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Transcripts for CNN New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar 20240604 10:07:00

6 will become more favorable if the justices start to fear that there will be wild chaos on january 6 unless they rule by then, either way. it seems to discuss the strategic value of the idea of violence on january 6 weeks before it happens. this is such a crucial link that we were wondering whether we would see when we went into these hearings. this is the first piece of tangible evidence showing that people around donald trump, advising donald trump suspected there might be violence. not necessarily wanted it to happen but if it happened they say we can benefit from this. there is an advantage to us if there is violence, if there is chaos that breaks out and they re trying to leverage that into pressure on the supreme court. it s the first link we have between the strategy that s going on behind the scenes and the hope for violence on january 6. and it s interesting because their argument has always been things got out of hand, we had legitimate court cases, we had a legitimate c ....

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Transcripts for CNN New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar 20240604 12:15:00

Know, you do raise the question, where would the inside channel, back channel be between eastman and what was going on in the supreme court? i thought it was interesting, congressman raskin suggests he s not even sure eastman was telling the truth in that email. but the ginni thomas question in a way is almost a separate question than some of the evidence we have seen from the january 6th committee, which is she s all over this story in terms of emailing different characters and it does raise the questions about whether justice thomas should have recused himself from any january 6th decisions and will going forward, chris. remember, john, there was a decision at one point where the committee wanted all of trump s emails released to the committee to investigate, and eight of the justices voted yes, and the president has to release those documents, and it was one justice who said no, he doesn t have to, and that was the husband of ginni thomas, clarence thomas. yeah, i mean, what d ....

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Transcripts for CNN New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar 20240604 11:25:00

With dozens of arizona legislators urging them to overturn election results in their state, also in touch with mark meadows. should the committee interview her? i can t i can t speak for the committee. i suspect the department of justice may likely interview obviously that s politically there will be repercussions from that kind of action but on the other hand i would say the department has an obligation if they believe there has been wrongdoing, they have an obligation to talk to whoever they think is important in uncovering the truth and developing a case for possible prosecution. listen, i have the highest respect for justice thomas and his service for this country. one of the things that i think will be keyed up or teed up by this recent reporting is whether or not justice thomas should recuse himself going forward with respect to any matters that come before the supreme court related to the january 6 ....

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