go along with this if you look back at the 80s and 90s debates in the caucus, helms on one side, s.t.a.r.t. one, s.t.a.r.t. two, chemical when with pops, in the end a majority of the republican caucus always came down on the arms control side that seems like a very uphill climb. you saw in this era, as recently as yesterday, jon kyl saying, no i still do not think this there is time to do that this year. articulate the policy disagreement that kyl and the new wing has. it is ragu, progressive, it s in there the argument about missile defense, something that s dealt with nato, no not part of it the white house says do you this you weaken medvedev and strengthen putin which you would think would be something that some of these hard line hawks on the republican caucus would buy into. as you say, these former republican sec teefrs state have been tough on those arguments, basically made the case that the