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thanks for that question and thanks so much for the opportunity to be on the show. so i think you re right to highlight on the one hand prisoners are spending their incarcerated time inside the fire camps, those men and women for the most part would prefer to be in a fire camp as opposed to a traditional walled prison. on the other hand it s important to note that it s in light of the alternative and that really makes it complicated, right, to identify this as purely voluntary or not. ask questions for ways it is and is not coercive is precisely because they re choosing to be in a fire camp, in many cases from the men and women i had a chance to interview because the conditions are somewhat less austere and painful than in prisons. the food may be in many cases better but, again, they re choosing to do that dangerous, ....