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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:13:00

worried we won t have effective assistance of counsel which is one of the things you can later appeal on where you basically say, oh, yes, there was a trial, but for these reasons it wasn t fair to the defendant. that s pretty standard but do you see him doing anything here that s going to curry any favor with the judge in his direction or all of this is for as david put it external audiences or later appeals? right, i think that this is, you know, this is argument in large part to an audience of one, and it s a sad theme that we see with trump s lawyers that instead of sitting him down and explaining to him where his best hopes or a deal lie they seem to always pander to him in this shameful theatrical way in a courtroom. i don t think that will impact judge chutkan. she s not the kind of judge who holds a client s lawyer against him. she will be committed to conducting a trial that will go

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:49:00

now, powerwash gives me the power of an overnight soak in minutes. with 3 cleaning boosters. not found in traditional dish soaps that help break down, loosen and lift away food and grease. so much faster! the justice department is investigating the killing of three black residents by a white gunman in jacksonville as a formal hate crime probe and identified these three victims shown here. authorities say the suspect arrived at this dollar store with a rifle emblazoned with swastikas and shot these victims and then himself. this is a story that affects so many in so many ways. the president spoke today about this shooting. you can t let hate prevail and it s on the rise. it s not diminishing. silence, i believe, we ve all said many time, silence is complicity. we re not going to remain

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:06:00

they may argue that that is relevant. but today it s worth noting the more sweeping arguments by trump s lawyers fell flat with the judge. i m not saying that as an opinion or a prediction, i m just telling you what actually happened, because today we saw the rubber hit the road. that same lawyer claims any trial before 2026 would become a, quote, show trial and that s an argument you can make. but it failed because they lost andbe the trial as of today we reporting is scheduled for march 4.f march 24. that goes to something larger here. hearings like this as we move past the arraignment stage, they will matter to how these trials proceed. today s hearing and its ruling really against what the trump team wanted is a clear reminder this forum is not twitter, it s not a political arena. it s not some primary debate that this defendant or candidate

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:15:00

he didn t say the word hunter but he did shoehorn in what law school you might call a clever or creative way, he shoehorned the president s son into the hearing today and i didn t see the judge respond negatively although she certainly didn t endorse what he was arguing but he shoehorned it in legally by saying but donald trump has attacked hunter biden, how do we not know how do we not know, david, that those attacks on the president s son didn t create a chain of events where the president picked an ag who picked a special counsel who went after donald trump as a, quote, retaliatory measure. it takes a while to explain it as some internet theories do. your response, david? it s interesting because the judge is going to have to decide what to do with this. in order to have to get this motion going anywhere, he s going to have to let specific facts in order to get a hearing on it. because it s going to be very fact specific type of analysis

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:42:00

executive privilege in a unique fanciful an absurd way. executive privilege does exist. your problem, sir, is doesn t exist for you yet because donald trump doesn t have your back. you say you re standing tall and going to the mat. you re clearly demonstrating let me finish, sir. let s just stop. peter, let me finish then i ll let you respond. well, that is the issue. we know doj prosecutors did not agree with navarro s claim that he had this legal privilege. now today what s new is an independent judge also skeptical saying his claims are pretty weak sauce and hitting the same evidence issue noting the record is barren and even if there aren t magic words there should be some words or a smoke signal for this kind of privilege. so, again, we re learning a lot as we go. now a federal judge is calling out navarro for claiming privilege without showing proof or any even magic words from the

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