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I am deeply humbled by them. ralph reid knows me well enough to know the introduction i prefer is a little bit shorter. i am a christian, a conservative, and a republican, in that order. and i am honored to stand before you today. well, there you go. joining me now, mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. he is the executive producer of the circus and cnn political analyst, april ryan is here, white house correspondent for the grio. good evening, to both of you. boy, oh boy. hey, don. that is something to see. mark, pence refused to go along with trump in trying to overturn the election. even though, he was one of trump s most-loyal lieutenants. is the big lie the only loyalty test that matters, now? clearly, it is, because nobody had been more loyal to donald trump than mike pence. and the irony of what s going on there is that these that these republicans, these base republicans and trump supporters ....
Abusing our democratic system in this way? that is ro khanna california democrat member of the house oversight committee reacting to the e-mails detailing trump s efforts to get the doj to overturn the results of a democratic election. nothing short of it. on the timing of the e-mails, the new york times reports it this way. much of the correspondence occurred during a tense week within the justice department when mr. rosen and his top deputies realized that one of their peers had plotted with mr. trump to first oust mr. rosen and then try to use federal law enforcement to force georgia to overturn its election results. it s a lot. thankfully we have two terrific friends of this broadcast to talk about all of it. jason johnson, campaign veteran, journalist, contributor at the grio, professor of politics and journalism at morgan state university and matthew doubt founder of country over party in the past chief strategist for the bush-cheney presidential effort in 2004. he is deser ....
That bat behavior on capitol hill. what is it, about 25 to 35,000 made it through the secret service magnetometers and there was a large contingent that did not because they had backpacks and understood they couldn t. this is from my reporting with the grio from secret service officials. there were 40,000 people on the hill that believed what donald trump was saying. they believed he was going to walk with them to the capitol which he did not. he told them he was so they had reason to believe it. yet another lie from the president. think about that, those 40,000 there and only 500 or so caught, captured, what have you. but think about the scores that are out there who didn t come who wanted to be there in solidarity with their fellow patriots, if you will. to your point, it s not a bug. it s a feature right now of people running in the republican party. the new york times did a great article how congressional candidates are basing their candidacies on the lie. ....
Case-by-case basis where you try to make decisions. so let s discuss now with our senior political analyst kirsten powers and april ryan, white house correspondent and washington bureau chief of the grio. she is also the author of at mama s knee. good evening, thanks for joining. april, i ll begin with you. the former president in this new interview talked about the tradeoffs he had to make did you go his presidency, whether it was more important to get real on race in america or get policy done on things like health care and so on. is the calculation the same or different now for the biden administration? i believe the calculation is different. he is indeed a transformational president. i believe once this presidency is over, he will be viewed, if everything he s trying to do as it relates to race and equity goes through, he will be viewed as one of those pillars in america. but when you come to then president barack obama, he ....
But cut a check. cut a check. the survivors of tulsa, their families are still there, and they ve got nothing for it. even the state won t give them any money so the idea that the president s going to come there and talk about the terrible things that happened and then hop on a plane and no one is necessarily better off is a problem. i want to be really clear about this. yes, it is great that joe biden said that this was a massacre and this is terrible, et cetera. but we don t need programs for disadvantaged people. we don t need programs for excluded people. this was a black attack. white people went and massacred black people. and it happened all around the country during that time. and we need to be able to speak about that specifically. and i have to say this because it s also something very near and dear to me and i wrote about this in the the grio, i know that joe biden is a good, decent man, he wanted to recover the soul of this nation and he looks at things in a sort of optimis ....