reporter: dawn, dawn oxley, ben s ex-wife, alyssa s mother. gossiper s pointed fingers at melissa, ben s best friends told each other everything in me said that dawn had something to do with that. reporter: of course, just a few years back, that sort of thinking would have been unimaginable to dawn and ben s best friends, scott and cindy graham. not dawn. dawn, the force of nature, the center of any room she was in. i don t know if it s manipulating or what, but everybody agreed with dawn. as long as dawn was happy, then we re all happy. reporter: but after five years of marriage, neither ben nor dawn was happy. and the marriage went up in flames. ben had cheated on dawn. i could see that. this probably wasn t going to be something she was ever going to get over. reporter: dawn changed after that, said cindy, didn t seem to
important whether there was presidential involvement. i m not buying the denials. when you look at how they have bumbled and stumbled along the way, they were obligated to follow in coming into government. just recently, you know, ivanka trump and the e-mails. oh, i didn t know that i couldn t have a private e-mail server. it is hard to believe that these two gentlemen did not have a conversation with donald trump about any of this simply because of how donald trump operates. he is a need-to-know person. you do not go into a conversation with him without him at some point asking you stuff that you probably shouldn t tell him. not only that, he just wants to gossip. he wants to gossip. even uncorroborated. he s as bad of a gossiper as anybody. when the story came out about trump tower, there s zero chance that junior did not run to tell his father about that meeting. trump said apparently if his written answers to mueller that he didn t know about the
reporter: dawn, dawn oxley, ben s ex-wife, alyssa s mother. gossiper s pointed fingers at melissa, ben s best friends told each other everything in me said that dawn had something to do with that. reporter: of course, just a few years back, that sort of thinking would have been unimaginable to dawn and ben s best friends, scott and cindy graham. not dawn. dawn, the force of nature, the center of any room she was in. i don t know if it s manipulating or what, but everybody agreed with dawn. as long as dawn was happy, then we re all happy. reporter: but after five years of marriage, neither ben nor dawn was happy. and the marriage went up in flames. ben had cheated on dawn. i could see that. this probably wasn t going to be something she was ever going to get over. reporter: dawn changed after
idea and calls you up and says come on. i think i would be lying if i said no. you know, like, yeah, i m going to reject him. i may have create ad wonderful moment here. a nice match. isn t he married or engaged or something? i could check for you. or has a serious girlfriend? i m fine, so. he s not 6 9 . so are you going to get married? one day i hope to get married, yeah. sooner rather than later, do you think? i don t know. why in hollywood life the second starts dating. the same reason you girls used to love this. now you re the gossip. we just started dating. we ve been seen out once or twice together. chris and i have only been seen out two times together, and all of a sudden we re this full-on whirlwind relationship. we re moving in and getting married. i m not a natural gossiper. but the moment i saw the
the same reason you girls used to love reading this gossip about other people. we just started dating. we ve been seen out once or twice together. we ve only been seen two times together. and all the sudden we re on this full whirlwind relationship. we re moving in, getting married. i m not a natural gossiper. but the moment i saw the pictures, i thought, i just wonder if she s getting married. seriously. it occupied my thought all day. now i ve got the chance to ask you. no. no marriage in the works. what about for you? no. i m happy right now. you want to give your little one a happily married set up? i do. but i just think kourtney is the most practical. i think that she you know. i ve always gone for it and made the wrong decisions. kourtney really takes her time. you know scott has i do. for about a year. it s been about almost a year since scott s been cleaned himself up, and i just, i don t know, i m just taking my time. i think you just need