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because i have enough on my plate right now. i mean we have a lot of campaigning to do, and we re going to be very, very busy in these next couple weeks. that is what i m concentrating on. and we re going to see what happens. all right, congressman paul, we will be following the debate very closely. thank you so much. you re welcome. joining me now, assistant majority leader in the senate dick durbin, the democrat of illinois. also lindsey graham, republican of south carolina. welcome to you both. i want to debate income and equality, but senator graham, i want to start with you and talk politics. it s a big focus. you saw that debate last night in iowa, and in your state, as i just referenced a moment ago, it is newt gingrich going away in south carolina, over his rivals romney and ron paul. is he for real? yeah. i think if the election were held tomorrow, he d win south carolina. and i saw bits and pieces of the debate. it s clear to me that newt gingrich has established hi ....
Not even sure if i voted for reagan or for bush or who i was for back in the 80s. so it s interesting that newt brings up that moment because i think it s a clear ideological contrast. lisa myers. well, i think clearly governor romney needed to blunt gingrich s moment last night and he didn t accomplish that. this is newt gingrich s wheelhouse. verbal combat. no one is better at it. no one enjoys it more. you know, the key for him is not to appear too mean. not to go totally off message. and he didn t neither happened last night. so very successful evening for him. so you know, unfortunately, i think for governor romney, the clip that will be played a lot is him trying to make the $10,000 bet. you don t say. here was the fight with rick perry over the individual mandate in health care. watch. i read your first book, and ....
Important nod from the governor of the state. governor, good to have you. we ll be with you in just a moment. chuck todd, this is how it looks in florida and south carolina, as i referenced, we ll put them up on the screen. south carolina first, it is gingrich, going away. lindsey graham said he d win the election in south carolina if it were today. and in florida, it s gingrich, going away. major moment, of course, the polling, the status of the race, and what happened last night in iowa. here was the moment between romney and gingrich. watch. look, the only reason he didn t become a career politician is he lost to teddy kennedy in 1994. now, wait a second. now wait a second. the idea that if i d have beaten ted kennedy i could have been a career politician. that s probably true. if i would have been able to get in the nfl, like i hoped when i was a kid, why i d have been a football star in my life, too. but i but i i spent my t. but i but i i spent my ....
Dollar and we were able to bring canadian companies here. now the canadian dollar let me get their financial system is stronger. good points, all. i will say that i think governor romney lost a lot more than 10,000 bucks last night and newt gingrich won a lot. why hasn t mitt romney bumped above 25% in these polls? i think we saw it last night. voters think this country is in huge trouble, republicans do, and they want somebody to bring big change. and mitt romney last night said he was a cautious guy. that s how he s been running his campaign all year. he s been saying i m not going to risk any political capital. i m going to let the other guys lose. what that does is build a market called resentful dependency. it s like you re the cable company or the power company. when you tell you have no choice but to buy from us. you know, take it or leave it. and voters you want to be nice to cable companies. but the problem is, that that makes voters want to tell mitt ....
Life in the private sector. losing to teddy kennedy was probably the best thing i could have done for preparing me for the job i m seeking, because it put me back in the private sector. chuck todd, where are we? these are a couple of nimble debaters. i think we ve seen it. these are the final two. on one-on-one debates, or even three with ron paul, shows that he can give as well as he can take, it s going to be an interesting, long primary campaign if it, indeed, goes long. but i ll tell you, obviously, what we re seeing in the polls, it s instructive that newt gingrich brought up 1994. that is his key strength and it is romney s key issue. what was newt gingrich doing in october of 1994. he was leading a conservative evolution. that s the one big memory. i had a romney person tell me that every negative they try to throw at newt they realize you can t just use one because he has that pristine memory in the minds of conservative voters. well, he did it. what was mitt romney doing i ....