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we can t have these conversations without you, so i know you are juggling a lot of things. but thank you very much for making some time to talk to us. we re grateful. e time to talk to us we re grateful . ,. . it to the to th according to russian state media, the criminal case against yevgeny prigozhin, the head of the wagner group, a private mercenary army in russia critical to russia s ability to wage war in ukraine, will be dropped. that s what they re saying at least. and he will be an exile in belarus. so far, it is not clear if you will actually give up leadership or commands of the wagner group. but he sent a voice note signaling that his forces would stand down. that order comes after a day of putin back negotiations with prigozhin to avoid russian losses inside russian territory. with promises of safety guarantees for the wagner fighters. until just a few hours ago, wagner forces were marching toward moscow. appearing to be ready to wage an armed result ag ....
Trash. their political pariah in the international community. the billionaires, the oligarchs can t go somewhere on the riviera anymore. so this place is a real mess. putin still has the national guard, the riot police, the fsb and the ministry interior. he took maybe 4000 people keeping him personally safe in his isolated country. so in the short run, maybe we re not going to see it collapse, but putin is clearly in a weakened state, and that s good news for the west and good news for ukraine. and goo ws david, go ahead. you asked a question that i think general mccaffrey really took well. what could the was to this? for the diplomats to really go to war, can seize on the ....
Strength. and being in charge. it is clear that what provision has done is to undermine that image that putin has so carefully cultivated over the last two decades. missy, i imagine from the kremlin press office and from putin s standpoint, some of the most disturbing images from their standpoint wasn t just what prigozhin said today, but with the citizens did, cheering and chanting wagner as he drove by. what is your sense of how the u.s. military and u.s. national security agencies are evaluating maybe new or newly-revealed weaknesses in russia? yet nicole. that s really the question that we ve been asking ourselves now, in the last few hours. things like this situation have come to a head, and the immediate crisis for putin may have been contained. is what does the fact of this apparent uprising mean for russia, and for president putin? ....
Loyalists, have to question why putin allowed prigozhin to achieve the amount of influence and power he has had and his outspokenness? this has been developing over the last several months. it s not a surprise in many respects that prigozhin took it to the next level. so, the people around putin have to really sort of question, why is he slipping? is he allowing this to happen? and so i think that zelenskyy is going to try to capitalize on the. whether or not the ukrainians will continue to launch attacks inside of russia proper, but i think what he s going to do is again, encourage the ukrainian people to fight even harder. and to encourage the russian people to stand up and speak out, and act against putin. given it appears as though putin is more vulnerable now than he has ever been during his reign. one more last question. if you had to offer a policy maker your sort of intelligence analysis of what made prigozhin snap, and do what he did today, ....
People right now. general mccaffrey, jump in on this. i also want to ask you a two part question, general mcafee. do you think that the toll in terms of lives lost is weighing on the russian people at all? it hasn t really seemed to be a factor, from what we can tell, that this clash with the so-called military leader, does that bring it into sharper focus? well, i m my personal viewpoint of warfare in general is the population doesn t and a war because of casualties. look at the germans, fighting in 1945. they lost 50% of their army, killed, wounded, maybe. the war ends when the russian says these fools running our government don t know what they re doing. and they re only a step or two short of that in russia. today i think from reading the polling data we do have, ....