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was listening to the great interesting conversation with kelly about it being difficult to prove but this stench think, you know, you remember there used to be a day when that kind of stuff just lead to shame in and of itself. and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that s not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. well, the shame issue here, i, think is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful to use government service or family connection to government service, to make private gain for yourself, and have private business game. because they use this as a way to try to attack president biden s family, for example, all the time. they know that this is something that is shameful and terrible, and that nobody should ever want to do, and they try to pin all sorts of stuff with that kind o ....
and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that s not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. well, the shame issue here, i think, is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful to use government service or family connection to government service, to make private gain for yourself, and have private business game. because they use this as a way to try to attack president biden s family, for example, all the time. they know that this is something that is shameful and terrible, and that nobody should ever want to do, and they try to pin all sorts of stuff with that kind of a category on all sorts of democrats. they know it s wrong. but when they do it, they re assuming, you know, there is assuming that if we bring it up, that there shame will, that there shame isn t operable. it s a strange phe ....
The extent of depravity is horrible. i would caution, though we are maybe not all that used to paying attention to the conduct of war, and the commission of war crimes in non european contacts. these kinds of crimes occur in armed conflict, generally. they re not unique to the ukrainian armed conflict. what perhaps is unique is the extent of media coverage, the extent of the ability to amass evidence for the purpose of prosecutions. and the breath of the concern of the international community. you are right. you make an important point, and in fact, there s been reasonable criticism of that, to say if we follow this, all around the world. we see way more of these crimes, and know how to respond to them. professor, thanks for your time tonight. we appreciate you. gabor rona is an expert on these matters. tonight s last word is next. ....