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but as the national review puts it, quote, he is a good man, a solid conservative, and is qualified and prepared for the job as anyone in the field, including the current and former president. but pence s cannedsy faces the same basic obstacles of those of nikki haley, tim scott and others, he seems man from an earlier time and little sign for demand of his candidacy. he enters the race 50 points behind donald trump, a man who once categoried him as a coward. a democratic pollster and president of brilliant corners research, john kasic, former governor of ohio and former presidential candidate. cornell and john are msnbc political analysts. great to have you all here. governor, mike pence is a conservative, big with evangelics, no stranger to the cultural wars, all things you would think the party likes, but do his actions on january 6th, the fact that he refused to hold up certification of the election, just negate all of that? well, i what i think at the end of th ....
Base, as the governor knows, a larger evangelical base, and, you know, you remember huckaby came out of iowa, cruz came out in iowa last time around. of course neither one of them ended up with the nomination, but if there s a state he can catch fire in with a large evangelical base of voters, it s iowa. if he can build on that and garner fundraising traction, he may have a chance. so here s what i m trying to wrap my head around, governor. exactly as cornell says, iowa is a terrible predictor of who ends up as the nominee, and i get the idea of what you say, maybe somebody catches fire and maybe if you surprise everybody, and you somehow finish first or second and you re supposed to finish third or fourth or eighth, maybe that helps you a little bit. but there s a lot of people and i think pence is one of them putting an awful lot of ....