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MSNBC Dateline Extra December 9, 2019 05:33:00

Police custody arrested on four counts each of murder and forcible rape. and detective julissa trapp was about to go face to face with steven gordon in the interrogation room. they would go to dark places. and she hoped to come out with information for the victims families. here again is keith morrison. reporter: for six months kathy menzies waited for news about her daughter kianna. still woke up every day hoping she d call or text, and dreading a knock at the door. which, in april 2014, is what happened. my heart sunk when they came because i knew right away that it wasn t going to be good news. reporter: no. not good news at all. anaheim police told her that two men, franc cano and steven gordon, were now under arrest for the murder of her daughter and three other young women in orange county. what were you like that night? ....

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MSNBC Dateline Extra December 9, 2019 05:47:00

Sat through the entire trial, as brutal as it was. what has it done to your understanding of human beings? they re evil. there s lots of evil in this world. lots of it. reporter: the mothers will have to sit through another trial. franc cano is still waiting for his. he s pleaded not guilty. but for detective trapp it was a measure of relief. and finally, she gave those rosaries to four grieving mothers. it s interesting to discover in this line of work that homicide detectives are actually softies. i think that the more you allow yourself to feel, the better you re going to be as a detective. and we have to go to the dark places in order to find answers. the quicker we can get in and out, you know, the better it is for all of us. reporter: answers from dark places. we went to the jail where gordon was kept before his transfer to death row. here he was, a man who claimed to know the nature of his evil ....

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MSNBC Dateline Extra December 9, 2019 05:57:00

i i just think because she s so helpless. you re on the street, you re working as a prostitute and you run into steve gordon and franc cano and your last hours on this earth are horrific. and then they discard you like trash. reporter: trash. detective trapp is still haunted by trash. and that keeps bringing her mind back here. even though it is a landfill, i mean, it is quite peaceful when it s quiet. reporter: somewhere under here, in addition to kianna, josephine, and martha, there was victim number five. and so detective trapp worked her sources until she had a name. it would be reasonable to say, okay, that s her. absolutely. ....

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190602:08:57:00

Jane doe a name to you, personally? i just think because she s helpless. you re on the street. you re working as a prostitute, and you run into steve gordon and franc cano, and your last hours on this earth are horrific. and then they discard you like trash. trash. detective trapp is still haunted by trash. that keeps bringing her mind back here. even though it is a landfill, i mean it is quite peaceful when it s quiet. somewhere under here, in addition to kianna, josephine, and martha, there was victim number five. and so detective trapp worked her sources until she had a name. ....

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