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America the battle for our better angels, jon meacham, coeditor ignatius and former u. S. Attorney for the Northern District of alabama and msnbc contributor, joyce vance. Jon meacham, before we get to rudy tells us that the truth is not the truth and perhaps what the meaning of is or is not, i wanted to ask you where we always talk about turning points in this Trump Administration and many people believe that well never have a turning point. Trump is just going to plow through one thing after another. But you had a lot of people comparing what happened with admiral mcraven this past weekend with what happened to the mccarthy hearings when welch finally said, sir, have you no shame. How impactful do you think admiral mcravens comments were and the response to that . I think they were essential. I think they speak incredibly well of the admiral and of that
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