going on here. does she agree? well, yeah. as she testified to, i think that what she began to notice is that, in fact, this really wasn t an irregular or shadow foreign policy effort, as some people have called it. it was actually domestic politics. she was doing national security, as were others, and foreign policy, and sondland and giuliani were taking steps to advance the political interests of the president. and i think that what she crystallized is how pernicious it can be when our national security and when our foreign policy decision-making is basically coopted or held hostage to the individual political interests of one individual. it s so interest, because dr. hill saw it, seems like john bolton saw it, because he described it as a drug deal and dr. hill testified to that today, and yet you had ambassador sondland, who
domestic political errand, a lot of people have said that was a big takeaway from today, that sort of encapsulated what was going on here. does she agree? well, yeah. as she testified to, i think that what she began to notice is that in fact this really wasn t an irregular or shadow foreign policy effort, as some people have called it. it was actually domestic politics. she was doing national security, as were others and foreign policy and sondland and giuliani were taking steps to advance the political interests of the president. and i think that what she crystallized is how pernicious it can be when our national security and when our foreign policy decision making is basically coopted or held hostage to the individual political interests of one individual. it s so interesting because dr. hill saw it. seems like john bolton saw it, because he described it as a drug deal, and dr. hill
extremely alarmed by both the substance of this whole shadow foreign policy effort that seemed to be going on around them, and specifically about giuliani s role. she quotes john bolton as having said, rudy giuliani is a hand grenade that s going to blow up and sort of essentially suggesting that he was going to ruin everything for everyone. at one point he calls this push for investigation a drug deal that rudy giuliani is trying to push. and what s interesting here is that jochn bolton and fiona hil are clearly trying to push back against this effort, knowing how close giuliani is to president trump and how he has den sort of deputized by the president for some reason. we know that kurt volker, the special envoy to ukraine, basically says to george kent at one point, he testified, according to his transcript that came out yesterday, listen, you know, what s the harm if we ask for these investigations?
questions about rudy giuliani s involvement in all this. what are you reading? reporter: yes. very concerned about the role rudy giuliani was pushing forward, what he calls a campaign of lies. in part the push to get rid of the former ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch, someone who raised concerns about giuliani s efforts himself to pursue investigations, push ukraine to invest gate the president s political rivals and says he was cut out as a person of policy for the state department, says he was cut out in favor of his parallel foreign policy effort rudy giuliani was a part of. he says this in reference to what his concerns are saying mr. giuliani at that point had been carrying on a campaign for several months, full of lies and incorrect information about ambassador yovanovitch. this was a continuation of his campaign of lies.
without active support and were made to stand aside or were recalled at the expense of this outsourced private foreign policy effort by rudy giuliani, who i ll remind you is the president s personal lawyer, not someone with any official role in our foreign policy. and the fact that he had no security clearances , is that something the senate foreign relations committee is looking into? we should be, there s a lot of things we should be looking into on judiciary and foreign relations on this matter. but frankly, wolf, the only time we re likely to be taking up and considering the matters that are currently in front of the house is if there are articles of impeachment voted. that will then refer the matter to the senate where we will sit as if a jury and review whatever those articles of impeachment have in them and ultimately render a verdict. many trump administration officials are refusing to