With the investigation, cnn reports this, questions asked of two recent witnesses indicate smith is focusing on how money raised off those baseless claims of voter fraud was used to fund attempts to breach Voting Equipment in several states won by joe biden and squarely in jack smiths sights, unindicted coconspirator number three, thats trump codefendant attorney Sidney Powell. Cnn reports this, quote, according to sources, witnesses interviewed by jack smiths prosecutors in recent weeks were asked about powells role in the hunt for evidence of vote fraud after the 2020 election. Including how her Nonprofit Group defending the republic provided money to fund those efforts. If team trump was literally trying to break into the Voting Machines after the fact, then the truth spun by chris krebs about the security of the 2020 election was a real fly in the ointment. There is no foreign power that is flipping votes. There is no domestic actor flipping votes. I did it right. We did it right.
For america and for our allies thousands of miles away. Plus, a pair of Courtroom Dramas playing out right now, one in new york where Donald Trumps Are Fraud Trial is pushing ahead, albeit without the former president in attendance. And in georgia where his former Attorney Sidney Powell says theres proof she had nothing to do with breaching local elections equipment, accusing prosecutors of Holding Back Information this whole time. But theres yet another twist, and witnesses in oregon say they literally could not believe what they were seeing, a small plane making a deadly plunge into a home packed with people. Well explain what happened later in the show. But we begin with congress at a crossroads, testing the notion of whether a government created for and by the American People is truly up to the task, with the speakership vacant and no clear path forward, the basic functioning of government is now in question, whether we can pay our bills, avoid a Government Shutdown and support our
criminal legal system that was largely designed for poor people and people of color like cooley router. so trump s half right when he complains about two systems of justice, the criminal legal system s joke, and but the real victims are not rich and powerful lawyers like john eastman and rudy giuliani, who have no problem making their bail, even when it s hundreds of thousands of dollars. the real victims are people like kobe router, huge number of people in jail who live below poverty below they got locked up. most can t afford to get the average bail. so ali, i get went to a lot of people it would seem so unfair of donald trump or sidney powell were incarcerated in months or years leading up to their trials. but that s the role that 600,000 americans live in right now, presumed innocent, but
tonight, paul butler, a professor of law at georgetown university and a former federal prosecutor. glenn kershner, former federal prosecutor and the host of the justice matters podcast. they are both msnbc legal analysts. good evening to both of you. let s try let s start right away, glenn, with the speedy trial. thing we ve got a few people asking for a speedy trial. we ve got ken cheeseborough asking for it, we ve got city powell asking for it. in georgia, that means something very specific. which means that their trial, they could get their way, their trial could start on october 23rd. that s not for everybody. that s for them, and anyone else of those 19 who are interested in this. tell me your thoughts. yes, so right now, the judge has granted kenneth chesebro s request for a speedy trial, and set a trial date for october 23rd. thereafter, sidney powell, one of the other 19 charged rico codefendants made a speedy trial demand. she will almost certainly be added to the trial in
incriminating evidence regarding donald trump. in fact, ali, i ve had cases like this where i tried some codefendants, and i was going to try other codefendants in the future. you know what the codefendants in the first trial will do, they will point the finger at the empty chair, and say, those are the bad guys. trump and giuliani, and meadows. it is not us. this could break really bad for donald trump. the interesting thing, paul, as michael cohen will tell you all the time, donald trump doesn t stand by his man. donald trump is the first guy to throw people under the bus. if you happen to be at trial before donald trump, to glenn s point, you re going to see, it was rudy, it was eastman, it was meadows. and certainly, it was trump. i was doing their work. donald trump may not be a part of that trail. yeah, some defendants, like jeffrey clark and mark meadows, are trying to get the case to move to federal court. others, like sidney powell and kenneth chesebro, claim that