these are individuals who i think entirely comprehensively did not have counsel, they represented themselves. i think that was a financial decision largely. and they have substantial damages that they now have to pay, right? that s right. so actually a number of the defendants did have representation, but a few did not, including fairly notorious white supremacist leaders, richard spencer and chris cantwell. but even before this trial, we saw major financial impacts, operational impacts on these defendants. our plaintiffs won five-figure financial sanctions against certain defendants for flouting court orders. richard spencer talked about how this case has financially devastated him. a number of defendants talked about how this case dismantled some of their hate groups. so even before trial we ve seen the impact civil litigation like this can have. now with these multimillion dollar judgments, it will send a