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Out isis, the state of terror stern is also a former national security council member. thanks for being on new day. you ve been studying al qaeda, in iraq. since 2003 or 04. they were the genesis of isis that s what isis started out as. i want to read some portions from your book. one of the things you write is when america turned its full attention to al qaeda in the wake of september 2011 the result was like a fist smashing down on a ball of clay. what does that mean? what happened was al qaeda was based in afghanistan. and we essentially disbursed them. we wanted to remove their home from them and they disbursed into pakistan. al qaeda in iraq formed in 2004 and that was the predecessor ....