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Was. there was no sense when these negotiations were going on they were meaningful and no sense anybody in ukraine wanted ukraine to give up anything, any land or territory in exchange for peace because they said we didn t want this war in the first place. joy, you showed that woman taking that sip of hot tea. how many times, you and i were on tv together a month ago when i was at that train station where people got their first hot drink or first sandwich. this desperation, think about this, 4 million refugees out of the country, more than 6 million in the country. in fact, where i am in lviv is full of people from the east, from kyiv and places like that and i will remind you, ukraine before this war was the poorest country in europe, the lowest gdp per capita in europe. their tax base is low. they have trouble paying for things which is why people thought their military won t be able to stand up against the russian military and the spirit and the military and civil defense has come t ....