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i want to talk about the firefighters meeting, jim webb is speaking soon. how is he wooing members? reporter: really what they ll do alternative to hillary clinton is try to evoke a message of economic populism. popular with the firefighters. bernie sanders, independent juror contemplating a run said the loudest applause lines are regarding huge corporations get tax breaks firefighters police departments, they re being cut left and right. that s resonating with people. elizabeth warren spoke yesterday. her message was a hum dinger if you will a real real big hit here. and also joe biden spoke yesterday, and from conversations i had with a few firefighters, they were accepting to his message. i think what you re seeing there s an appetite for somebody else rather than hillary clinton, just from talking to