>> i want to talk about the firefighters meeting, jim webb is speaking soon. how is he wooing members? >> reporter: really what they'll do alternative to hillary clinton is try to evoke a message of economic populism. popular with the firefighters. bernie sanders, independent juror contemplating a run said the loudest applause lines are regarding huge corporations get tax breaks firefighters police departments, they're being cut left and right. that's resonating with people. elizabeth warren spoke yesterday. her message was a hum dinger if you will a real real big hit here. and also joe biden spoke yesterday, and from conversations i had with a few firefighters, they were accepting to his message. i think what you're seeing there's an appetite for somebody else rather than hillary clinton, just from talking to
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