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We re angling to have control afterwards. i would say we would be better off letting the egyptians settle this problem. are you making a call, congressman, for an overhaul of american foreign policy based on what you just said? absolutely. and i ve been doing it for a good many years. i believe in the constitutional foreign policy of the founders that advocate nonintervention which means we start bringing our troops home as soon as possible and we bring our money home too. it s going to happen if we have a bankruptcy. the soviet system collapsed not for military reasons but financial reasons. this is an indication we wasted our $70 billion. even the so-called stability that it bought for a while, it leads to these kind of very, very dangerous situations. and i do believe that tomorrow is going to be, if not sooner, a very wild and violent day in egypt. fawaz, your thoughts on the american congressman s observations. the reality is, at the end of the day i hope that we learn the ....
And there has to be no vagueness about that in the minds of the people in the street. fawaz, if that were to happen, would this be different? yes. yes, it would be different. and i mean i think the united states must think in terms of the long term. this is the beginning. it s the beginning of something very big, not just in egypt, throughout the arab world. you have a new era. this is the beginning of the crisis in egypt and other arab countries. what s striking about the speeches today is how disconnected mubarak and suleiman are. they re dinosaurs. they re out of it. this is the reality. they don t understand what s happening in the country. look at what suleiman said. we would have expected suleiman to appreciate the complexity and the danger of the situation. he blamed the unrest on subversive forces. he said satellite stations are responsible for the unrest, you and i and all of us are inciting the egyptian people. ....
Vice president biden and vice president suleiman have had frequent conversations, and don t be surprised if there s the same confusion we re having, same confusion inside the west wing in the situation room. fawaz, are you still with me? yes, i am. walk me through the implications of that crowd going to the palace? you know, dylan, let me translate what the speech means, because there seems to be some confusion. president mubarak says he will remain as a president until september. he is transferring authority to his vice president. what s the fundamental goal of the protesters? the protesters do not just want president mubarak out, they want to get rid of the entire power structure, including omar suleiman. omar suleiman is as unacceptable to the protesters now as president mubarak himself. in particular, because in the last two days, vice president suleiman has fully sided with ....
Presidential palace. the next few days are going to be extremely dangerous and i hope the united states has a clear position, a clear stand, when and if the plunge takes place in egypt. ron paul, ronald reagan famous both in 1982 with poland and 1989 with the berlin wall for doing precisely what fawaz described, getting behind the pro-democracy forces. demanding the tearing down of the wall. do you believe the united states should get behind that crowd? i don t think it s the same annual an analogy. this is a lot of money and weapons and we re trying to buy influence. it s the same policy of trying to pick sides. there s nobody capable of knowing who s the one person we can stand behind. unless he gets our money, that military, of course, is very powerful now, but the military depends on us. we re in the middle of this to just say that we have to get behind another group, it sounds good but we can t diplomatically ....
Security forces that were trained by the americans, for the islamic state and its allies, it s been a joyride. this is truly a turning point in the history of modern iraq and the history of the modern middle east as well. and fawaz, as you know, there s continued pressure being put on the prime minister of iraq, al maliki, to step aside, not just from the united states, but obviously parties within iraq. they re saying they re going to reform the government as soon as july 1st. but as we see in many cases, for there to be real meaningful change, there has to be a leadership change. do we need to see the prime minister step aside before we can actually make real progress? well, you re asking really very important questions. first of all, nuri al maliki is very toxic. he s very toxic not only for the sunni arabs, he s very toxic for the sunni kurds. as you heard today from the president of kurdistan. even he s toxic for some shiite who blame maliki for autocratic, ....