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between the president and the vice president, is that correct? yes. when i entered the office the second time he was on the telephone with who i later out to found out to be the vice president. could you hear the vice president or only hear the president s end? only hear the president s end. at some point it started off as a calmer tone and became heated. the conversation was pretty heated. did you hear any part of the phone call even just the end that the president was speaking from? i did, yes. all right. what did you hear? as i was dropping off the note, my memory, i remember hearing the word, wimp. he called him a wimp. i remember he said, you are a wimp. you ll be a wimp. wimp is the word i remember. it s also been reported that the president said to the vice president, that something to the effect that you don t have the courage to make a hard decision. something like that. like you re not tough enough to make the call. something to the eff ....
State where they won t certify the election. i think we ll be seeing lot of that and people are going to have really the courage to be able to stand up and do what is their constitutional duty as what mike pence did. they are explaning trump s speech. initially he didn t include the attacks on pence. watch this. early drafts of the january 6th speech prepared for the president included no mention of the vice president. the president we vised it to include criticism of the vice president and further ad libbed. here is what the president said on january 6th after his call with vice president pence. i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. i hope so. if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. ....
Scenes. i m grateful mike pence did hold the line for our democracy and he did stand up and held up his oath to the constitution. sdp you know it s clear here and that is how little concern that the former president had for the former vice president s safety. even after trump was informed about the violence on the capitol knowing his vp is there and in danger, he tweeted about pence lack of courage and the rioters reacting. watch this. hooeere is what the presiden wrote in his 2:24 p.m.tweet whi the violence was going on. nothing but a traitor and he deserves to burn with the rest of them. it escalated after pence. pence didn t do what we wanted. pence voted against trump. that s when all this started? ....
To pursue. if you don t win that case at the back end, you re perceived to be someone who is pursuing donald trump because you have partisan, political interest. i m not saying that trump did the right thing. i m not saying the case is the wrong thing. i m saying if you re at the department of justice, the likelihood you win that case is low. the risk of losing that case is high. i wouldn t pursue it. even if people are telling you what they thought and they are telling you they were sure. the president will say my advisers told me i won. i thought i won. that wasn t a conspiracy. none of his advisers told him he won. don, you ve got to go not to court of public opinion but the court of law. no. i m hearing you. ....
Election is stolen. i said they re not beginning to tolerate that. i said you re going to cause riots in the street. he said, words to the effect of there s been violence in the history of our country to protect the democracy or protect the republic. phil, what he s talk about here is john eastman, the lawyer advising the president but is it clear to you that trump was also willing to accept violence to stay in power? heck know. there s two questions here. there s a question of whether i think the president did the right thing. no. there s a question of what i think the department of justice will do, let me give you a couple of perspectives. what s the likelihood you would win a conspiracy case? that s a really difficult case to prove. not only what happened but what people were thinking when they went down the path that happened on january 6th. very difficult to prove. that s going to take a lot of people and millions of dollars ....