us tonight. thank you for joining us. this sis so offensive that it s hard to talk about it on tv . a while leave out the possibility that there s some reasons why we had to torture dogs to depth. give us your view. there s no reason for the disgrace that this experiment is . it imimis just the tip of the iceberg of what is going on at nih. they by thousandsog of dogs and subject them to experiments tha only freddy krueger could think of. the last time i was on i said thath the nih director needs to go at unfortunate since then he hasn t announced his resignation . now the esother nih directors n to go. my sense from a reading abou this is that many of these torture sessions, they are not ethan experiments. they can t help themselves. it is driven by findings of the spun he available so picks from a takes plays but that doesn t